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Old 03-07-2017, 11:17 PM   #21
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Ya but didn't Otto kick it in back in 89? So it was an even up call I guess
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Ya but didn't Otto kick it in back in 89? So it was an even up call I guess
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Ya but didn't Otto kick it in back in 89? So it was an even up call I guess
Not even close to the same magnitude there
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Ya but didn't Otto kick it in back in 89? So it was an even up call I guess
Wasn't Bure offside in 94?
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Not even close to the same magnitude there
No kidding, 1st round game 7 is tough but Game 6 at home for the cup and the guy who scores potentially has a goal that would eliminate the 4th and final team for the cup?? Down right sick they didn't go upstairs when you consider everything.
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Not even close to the same magnitude there
Depends how you look at it. Without the Otto goal, it's 50/50 there is no Stanley Cup banner in the rafters. Canucks were the better team in OT.

But it was a good goal.
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Depends how you look at it. Without the Otto goal, it's 50/50 there is no Stanley Cup banner in the rafters. Canucks were the better team in OT.

But it was a good goal.
Without the Gelinas goal, the Lightning won the Stanley Cup.

50% is 50% better than 0%. With the Lightning series, we can speak in absolutes. That goal counts: Flames win cup. It didn't count: Lightning win cup.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:25 PM   #28
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ABC did broadcast the series and had more camera angles. But I don't believe they had HD in 2004.
They did. Here are the 2 best looks I have of the play:



Note: you can click the GFYcat links and slow the speed down using the minus button in the bottom left.

The problem is there still hasn't been a camera angle shown that conclusively shows the puck over the line. There's just the one angle that suffers from the same unreliability as the Bennett/ANA play. The Bennett one I think was 100% the wrong call because the puck did not appear to be in the air more than a few millimetres.

The Gelinas play however appears to be much higher in the air, so I still honestly don't think the puck crossed the line. At the very least there clearly wasn't a camera angle that would have overruled the call on the ice.

Finally, the attempted rendering of the puck's 3D location:

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Can someone go and grind Martin St. Louis' name off the Cup now? Maybe slap him in the face if they get the chance too.
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Gelinas non goal was not in OT. Whereas the Flames won the Cup in 89. That is a certainty.

Would you trade the Otto goal for a goal call for Gelinas? Not me.
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Wasn't Bure offside in 94?

He wasn't actually, but we didn't go on to win the cup anyways like you guys did in 89. Also I'm pretty sure that was in.

Forgive me for not remembering, but was it in OT or late in a game when he scored?
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He wasn't actually, but we didn't go on to win the cup anyways like you guys did in 89. Also I'm pretty sure that was in.

Forgive me for not remembering, but was it in OT or late in a game when he scored?
Well getting to Game 7 of the cup final is still the greatest moment in Canucks history so without the Bure goal all you'd have is getting swept by the Islanders in 1982.

Also, you don't remember the biggest goal in Canucks history?
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Haha lol oops. Oh well. No harm done!

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As for the Bennett/ANA play, here's what I consider to be pretty damning evidence that it should have counted:

http://globalnews.ca/video/1986743/v...al-really-was/
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He probably just realised Matt Cooke is a dirty player as well
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:36 AM   #37
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Well getting to Game 7 of the cup final is still the greatest moment in Canucks history so without the Bure goal all you'd have is getting swept by the Islanders in 1982.

Also, you don't remember the biggest goal in Canucks history?
I was talking about the Gelinas non-goal, should've been more clear.

Also we have 2011 to be depressed about.
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Uhh stop reminding me of this. Have never re-watched a second of that series to this day. #### was in
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Wasn't Bure offside in 94?
Didn't Bobby Rowe make a forward pass to Bernie Morris in 1917?
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As for the Bennett/ANA play, here's what I consider to be pretty damning evidence that it should have counted:

http://globalnews.ca/video/1986743/v...al-really-was/
Wow, that's really damning for sure.

All that talk of "the puck was in the air, hence the white underneath" really meant very little. The puck still looks like it's floating that same way when it's on the ice, but it's not actually. That's just how it appears. But it is most certainly over the line.

Let that be evidence for the NHL to carry forward.

Two very similar calls in involving the Flames in big games that it appears may have been botched.
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