"Jonas Elliott"

[FlamesAddiction]

I was never sold on Elliott as being the solution and felt he was one of the more overrated players in the league the past few seasons. He had nice shiny stats on a good team, but has barely been a 1b goalie most of his career going by games played, and every team he has been on always seemed to be in the market for an upgrade. There is a reason why his salary and acquisition cost were relatively low.

I didn't disagree with acquiring him to see if he could cut it, but am not surprised that he isn't the answer.

[BigT112]

Put me in the new goaltending coach camp. This team can get a new goalie every year for ever if they want but nothing will get better without a new goalie coach. The goaltending under him has been prett awful with few exceptions.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by HUSKER4FLAMES

A coach can have a huge impact on preparation and adjustments and the mental aspect of the game. Helping with confidence and reviewing performance and discussing tweeks here and there would have a huge impact. Everyone talks about coaches systems and having the players ready, but then say the goaltender coach doesn't have any impact? Every one has a part and a role. Goal tending sucks. You have had many different goalies. What hasn't changed? That's where the next adjustment change should be made.

This, plus we know that goaltending coaches have in fact influenced entire goaltending trends. There was the whole Francois Allaire school of thought, and the Finns always look back to Urpo Ylonen. Dubnyk had his goaltending style changes and look at what happened.

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Disagree fully,

If an NHL goalie is expecting muffin shots during the game he doesn't belong in the NHL. The whole point of a warmup is to get your body moving and muscles prepared.

I know lol... I was being sarcastic . Just forgot to hit the emoji before I hit enter

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by St. Pats

Would St. Louis take him back? They aren't exactly setting the world on fire either / have given up a lot goals. Not that they would get a lot in return.

Which makes it strange if Elliott's stats were the product of the St. Louis system. If their D is so good they can make an average or worse G into a save % leader it shouldn't matter who they put in net.

[tvp2003]

I get the sense Sigalet puts in a lot of work/hours analyzing video, measuring shooter's tendencies, etc. Unfortunately, other than a 1.5 month stretch for Johnson, it hasn't amounted to anything in terms of actual performance on the ice (which is ultimately what matters).

Both Johnson and Elliott are being exposed for having a weak glove hand -- and it's resulting in a loss of confidence (for both the goalie and the guys playing in front of him). Sigalet needs to fix that. I'm not convinced that he can.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This, plus we know that goaltending coaches have in fact influenced entire goaltending trends. There was the whole Francois Allaire school of thought, and the Finns always look back to Urpo Ylonen. Dubnyk had his goaltending style changes and look at what happened.

Dubnyk also used Steve Valiquette for help.

http://ingoalmag.com/technique/dubny...tory-and-more/

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I was never sold on Elliott as being the solution and felt he was one of the more overrated players in the league the past few seasons. He had nice shiny stats on a good team, but has barely been a 1b goalie most of his career going by games played, and every team he has been on always seemed to be in the market for an upgrade. There is a reason why his salary and acquisition cost were relatively low.

I didn't disagree with acquiring him to see if he could cut it, but am not surprised that he isn't.

Elliott has been really good over the past few years. As a Flames fans I haven't forgot the games where he regularly stoned the Flames. I'm not a phsycologist so I can't explain why he's been bad when donning the Flaming C but there's a pattern here that's hard to ignore as the next time a goaltender improves his game after putting on a Flames jersey will be the first time since Kipper in 2003.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Elliott has been really good over the past few years. As a Flames fans I haven't forgot the games where he regularly stoned the Flames. I'm not a phsycologist so I can't explain why he's been bad when donning the Flaming C but there's a pattern here that's hard to ignore as the next time a goaltender improves his game after putting on a Flames jersey will be the first time since Kipper in 2003.

It's odd - he sure looked solid until that first goal, which wasn't his fault at all. Johnson has suddenly looked no better.

[Classic_Sniper]

Surprisingly there's a lot of talk regarding the goaltending coach. I'm not convinced it's his problem that Brian Elliott can't catch a puck or make a big save when the team needs it. This is the same guy who St. Louis gave up on after an amazing season last year and the same guy who they lost confidence in and acquired Ryan Miller and Martin Broduer because they didn't think Elliott could cut it.

I just think Elliott is overrated and benefitted greatly from a stingy defensive powerhouse. He's shown me nothing that makes me think he'll ever turn it around because he's giving up the same softies over and over. I'm ready to see David Rittich. He has the second best save percentage in the entire AHL and was only behind Juuse Saros who is killing it in Nashville right now.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I just think Elliott is overrated and benefitted greatly from a stingy defensive powerhouse.

Allen is 2.88 GAA with a sv% of .897
Hutton is 2.80 GAA with a sv% of .892

Oh, and their team has a goal-differential that exceeds ours by a whopping 1. While having played 3 less games.

Not exactly a "defensive powerhouse" right now.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Allen is 2.88 GAA with a sv% of .897
Hutton is 2.80 GAA with a sv% of .892

Oh, and their team has a goal-differential that exceeds ours by a whopping 1. While having played 3 less games.

Not exactly a "defensive powerhouse" right now.

No they're not this year for whatever reason. But even Jake Allen had a .920 sv% last season under the same defense. For years now St. Louis has been a top 5 team for goals allowed and shot suppression which overinflated the numbers of their goaltenders as they didn't allow a lot of high danger scoring chances. Now we're seeing the real Brian Elliott and his numbers speak for themselves. Why not try a different goaltender? What do we have to lose at this point? It's not like Elliott is giving this team much of a chance to win every night.

[bigrangy]

Elliott consistently outplayed any goaltender brought in to St. Louis. He outplayed Halak, who everyone thought was better than Price for a while, and Miller, an Olympic caliber goaltender. He was the best goalie St. Louis had in every season that he was there.

For him to flounder like he has this season is unbelievable. Players don't forget how to play hockey over 1 summer, and goalies certainly don't forget how to stop pucks. I'll be crying/laughing when Elliott moves on to another team next year and posts a 0.925.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Allen is 2.88 GAA with a sv% of .897
Hutton is 2.80 GAA with a sv% of .892

Oh, and their team has a goal-differential that exceeds ours by a whopping 1. While having played 3 less games.

Not exactly a "defensive powerhouse" right now.

That's this year. Allen had great numbers last season too. Hitchcock teams tend to have a shelf-life and they may have hit theirs.

It doesn't change the fact that St. Louis was a great defensive team before this year.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Elliott consistently outplayed any goaltender brought in to St. Louis. He outplayed Halak, who everyone thought was better than Price for a while, and Miller, an Olympic caliber goaltender. He was the best goalie St. Louis had in every season that he was there.

For him to flounder like he has this season is unbelievable. Players don't forget how to play hockey over 1 summer, and goalies certainly don't forget how to stop pucks. I'll be crying/laughing when Elliott moves on to another team next year and posts a 0.925.

Have you seen the goals he's given up this season? I could probably stop some of those. Fact is, they brought in Ryan Miller and Martin Broduer because they lost faith in Elliott and look, they traded him to the Flames for a 2nd round pick. No team would trade their best goaltender if they really believed in him. Overall, Chad Johnson has soundly outplayed him and only has an average sv% and Elliott has the 2nd worst in the entire league. Visually his play has reflected that as well; he's overrated, simple as that.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Elliott has been really good over the past few years. As a Flames fans I haven't forgot the games where he regularly stoned the Flames. I'm not a phsycologist so I can't explain why he's been bad when donning the Flaming C but there's a pattern here that's hard to ignore as the next time a goaltender improves his game after putting on a Flames jersey will be the first time since Kipper in 2003.

There's a simple explanation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJhxJcSGZA

[Flamescuprun2018]

I suspect Sigalet is not strong managing the mental side of goalie preparation. Video review analysis does not teach our boys to stay calm and confident.

The Stockton AHL goalie coach runs a goalie school that has included current NHL goalies. Lets give him a try.


http://www.podiumsportsjournal.com/2...%84%A2-goalie/

http://www.mentaltoughnesstrainer.co...a-good-goalie/


I also think Elliott got off on the wrong foot when he was sleep deprived post first baby. Season opener days after first baby born. He lost his mental focus/confidence which has all spiraled out of control. He looked great in preseason before baby born.

Not sure why Johnson is mentally falling apart now but maybe the floodgates phenomenon.

http://ingoalmag.com/training/the-%E...al-training-3/

[Hockeyboy2]

You know, when I was gowing up while Mikka Kiprusoff was the flames goalie, I figured goaltending strength was just something the Calgary Flames had..........and that it would never go away......

Always appreciate what you have because you never know what it is going to be like when it is gone.

Yes Brian Elliot does remind me of Jonas Hiller especially at the beginning of the year with the red pads.

[Sainters7]

Purely replying to the OP, I haven't read any of this thread. Elliott hasn't looked good lately, but I'm ready for him to get more of a push with a few starts in a row. Johnson has been straight junk lately, I have no confidence in him at all at the moment. May as well give your projected starter going into this year a chance to get hot again.

[Fire]

I find it funny that some people think they have enough information to determine that Sigalet should be fired or not.