Elliott vs. Johnson

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Elliott is starting to show that he might be a worthy 1B goaltender who can take on the bottom feeder teams which is awesome, but he hasn't been tested enough or faced quality competition lately. Until then Johnson is still the 1A. GG trying to build Elliott's confidence against 28th - 30th place teams doesn't change that.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by sixpacked

Which ones were average to weak?? A shot off post and in, Iginla top shelf salpper......?

Both of Landeskogs goals shouldn't have went in. One was him (a left hander) coming down the left wing and he scores far side. That's not a good goal to give up. Elliott over commited to one side and left half the net open. You should not be able to score from that position of the ice being left handed to the far side of the net.

His second goal the puck pretty much hit the middle of the net again leaving half the net to shoot at because he over commited to the left side.

And his weak goals against Arizona.

I have zero confidence in Elliott and even during this win streak he hasn't looked good. Made a few good saves as every goalie does but looks weak overall.

[GioforPM]

Elliott was just fine last night. He made some great saves. And, yes, the game before he let in one real softie. He was also guilty of a bad puck handle, which happens to goalies who are good with the puck, like he is normally.

Johnson has been better over the season, no doubt, and his last three losses were against good teams. But he didn't look especially sharp in those losses. Got the hook in one.

You play Elliott for now. What's the message to him and the team if you go to Johnson after Elliott won 3 in a row and Johnson lost 3? Basically that you don't trust Elliott in net.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Both of Landeskogs goals shouldn't have went in. One was him (a left hander) coming down the left wing and he scores far side. That's not a good goal to give up. Elliott over commited to one side and left half the net open. You should not be able to score from that position of the ice being left handed to the far side of the net.

His second goal the puck pretty much hit the middle of the net again leaving half the net to shoot at because he over commited to the left side.

And his weak goals against Arizona.

I have zero confidence in Elliott and even during this win streak he hasn't looked good. Made a few good saves as every goalie does but looks weak overall.

You keep saying Elliott left half the net open. It just isn't true. Look at the replays. He was outside the crease, and basically left the post open. Which Landeskog hit. Third goal was a screen, so was Iggy's. If those went in against Johnson you'd have no complaint.

[PepsiFree]

Elliott has been looking better, I sense he's getting some confidence back. Johnson has been looking less than all-star, but what can you expect? It's probably a little silly to get on Elliott for the goals recently, he's got no puck luck.

We need things to start going Elliott's way because I don't think Johnson can carry the full load. I have confidence Elliott will be able to settle in though.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Ride the winning goalie and continue for the rest of the season. BT got two capable goalies for a reason, we don't need to have a cemented number 1, we just need our guys not playing like junk, which thankfully we haven't had since the beginning of the year with Elliott.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Locke

Normally I'd agree with you but not necessarily in this instance. Elliot 'has won' 3 in a row, but look at those three wins, Arizona, Vancouver and Colorado.

Hes still making the same little mistakes.

I'd say if you're going up against a decent team you go with Johnson.

Elliot played steady, but he was still letting in at least one muffin per game. He has to make the saves hes expected to make.

Except that Johnson looked really meh in those 3 starts. He allowed 14 goals, which is unacceptable regardless the competition.

[DJones]

I'm about equally happy with both. I trust them both as long as our defense is solid.

That is the #1 thing. We have not lost many games due to solely goaltending like we did last year.

[GioforPM]

Also, Elliott's loss before the winning streak was a game in which he was very good. Lost in OT off a tough deflection when Frolik broke his stick and took off.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Are the days of a 40W goalie over?

This is a weird question. Up until modern goaltending, a 40 W season was a rarity. Only now is it common because of how many goalies are big butterflyers who play in defensive systems. Take a look at how many 40W goalies there are in the years 2000 till now, versus those before:

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/recor...l-goalies.html

Only Plante, Sawchuk, Parent, Brodeur, Barrasso, Belfor, Turek, Richter, Dryden and Kolzig did it before year 2000. Look at how many active goalies are on that list. This year Brobovski has an insane 22 wins in 29 gp, and Price is at 18wins in 25gp. Plus Dubnyk and Task could pull off a 40 win season too.

In fact a lot of goalies are close to 20 wins and no team has even played 38 games yet. Even if half of those top 10 goalies play on 0.500 or better winning teams, we could have a record year of the number of 40W goalies in a single season. The best year was 1999-2000 when three goalies got 40wins (Brodeur, Turek, and Kolzig)

[MarkGio]

Plus that list shows you how crazy Brodeur was in terms of consistency. They guy has 8 seasons where he won 40 or more (record holder) and one 39W season and two 38w season. The guy spent over half of his career winning games. Plus he regularly played 70 more games in a season. The man was a work horse.

[djsFlames]

Yeah the Landeskog and Iginla goals were forgivable. Those were absolute bombs. Goal scorers goals that were perfectly placed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Who is the backup?

Johnson of course. As much as fans love the great stories at 31 years old the Flames have not unearthed a starting goaltender under the noses of 29 other teams. He can start games and play at a high level only for periods of time. Starting goaltenders are expected to carry the load for 2/3 of a season. Elliott's pedigree is far superior despite what's transpired this season.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Johnson of course. As much as fans love the great stories at 31 years old the Flames have not unearthed a starting goaltender under the noses of 29 other teams. He can start games and play at a high level only for periods of time. Starting goaltenders are expected to carry the load for 2/3 of a season. Elliott's pedigree is far superior despite what's transpired this season.

Lol you mean the career backup is now the starter here? Elliott has lost his starting job every where he's been and was subsequently the backup.

Teams all the time unearth a starting goaltender under the noses of 29 other teams.

You want to know who else is 31? Brian Elliott. Your entire post contradicts itself.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Lol you mean the career backup is now the starter here? Elliott has lost his starting job every where he's been and was subsequently the backup.

Teams all the time unearth a starting goaltender under the noses of 29 other teams.

You want to know who else is 31? Brian Elliott. Your entire post contradicts itself.

Nope. Elliott is the superior goaltender and started for a good Blues team. Johnson has been a backup his whole career. I get your opinion is that Johnson is better but that doesn't change that Elliott has had a superior career to date.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope. Elliott is the superior goaltender and started for a good Blues team. Johnson has been a backup his whole career. I get your opinion is that Johnson is better but that doesn't change that Elliott has had a superior career to date.

The past is in the past. It has no usefulness for the future, the Blues thought so much of Elliott they traded him away for a draft pick? He didn't start for a Blues team, he shared duties with Jake Allen.

His last 5 seasons the most he's played was 46 games and those were all with the Blues. Tell me how he was the starter again?

[Monahan For Mayor]

I personally feel Johnson is the better goalie. He takes up more net, is calm in net, lets in less softies. With saying that I expect them to ride Elliot while he is winning. If he faulters I go straight back to Johnson.

[fire_starter]

Who would you use tmrw? Ride the winning goalie or the guy that beat the ducks last outing?

[spuzzum]

Johnson probably got a little burnt out and fatigued playing so many games in a row. Like most people, we all need time getting used to new situations. He would have to change his training schedule and routine to allow or accomidate more rest time. He's certainly been the better of the two goalies.

Ride the hot hand or goalie that wins regardless of stats. The W is the only one in the end that matters.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

The past is in the past. It has no usefulness for the future, the Blues thought so much of Elliott they traded him away for a draft pick? He didn't start for a Blues team, he shared duties with Jake Allen.



His last 5 seasons the most he's played was 46 games and those were all with the Blues. Tell me how he was the starter again?

I'm fairly sure that Elliot requested a trade, no? I am not convinced that the Blues were in a great hurry to move him.