I can not recall seeing this before. At least I can not recall it being pointed out that it would be no goal if the goalie let the initial kick in. Which, in my opinion, does warrant a thread, as 99% of hockey discussion are the same stories with new players (I.e. should we fire X, bench Y, get Z going etc).
Same thing can be said for an off-side dump in towards the net. The goalie could just let it in like Hasek did that time and have the faceoff, or he could stop it and keep play going and get scored on right after. Same thing goes with a hand pass, or a high stick, you're taking a risk any time you touch it to negate the whistle using this reasoning.
Kicking the puck isn't against the rules, scoring with a kicking motion is. Same goes for a high stick hitting a defence man leading to a goal or whatever else. If these are loopholes, then I guess he league should close them and just blow he play dead any time it happens.
Not a loop hole although it would have been a brilliant play by Bernier if he let the kicked puck in the net.
Tough to say. You then leave it up to the guys reviewing the play. It still rattles your team a bit and makes you look a bit shaky. I don't know.. I understand where you are coming from, but if I am Bernier, I dive at that puck every time.
It is also a split-second decision, and your job is to just pounce on pucks. Maybe it is just a difficult thing to stop yourself from doing?
Is it more or less pointless than your pointless post?
It's simple folks, don't post this crap. If you find that a thread isn't interesting, or if you read the first post and find it isn't interesting, then do us all a favor (including yourself) and click the back button. This kind of garbage lowers the quality of the discussion here. Stop it.
Not a loop hole although it would have been a brilliant play by Bernier if he let the kicked puck in the net.
At the speed at which the play happened I maintain that it would have been impossible for Bernier to process and to decide to allow the puck to enter the goal. He reacted instinctively, as any other goaltender would have.
But this raises a question for me regarding the rules: if Bernier would have made contact with the puck and it ended up entering the goal, would it have counted? It is interesting that the legality of such a play can be so dramatically affected by the goalie's response.
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I don't think any goalie worth his salt (although apparently Hasek did it, and he was worth some salt) is just going to let the puck go no matter what the situation.
I get the idea that being allowed to kick the puck in is dangerous, with the flying skateblades and all that, but they do that anyway. They are always kicking and flailing if they can't get their stick on it.
I kind of think that if the puck goes in the net off a skate, even with the kicking motion, it should be a goal. Of course I'm not the guy lying on the ice with large men standing over me with sharp blades on their feet.
And I might have just talked myself out of my own argument by actually typing it out.
Similar to what Kipper did once when time was expiring - he let a shot go in a fraction of a second after the buzzer.
Kinda silly, especially by Hasek (who I think was the greatest ever). The play would have been blown dead if he stopped it (unlike the kicked puck). Instead he takes a chance, however small, since this was before video review of offside on a goal.
