[News] Flames to terminate Grossmann's contract

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So glad the Flames wasted the last few pre-season games playing guys like Grossman, Higgins and Korpikoski......none of whom are on the team. Hope this is a lesson for next season for GG, to use the last game or two to get ready for the season, not the first few games of the regular season.

It's disheartening; I expect the Flames coaching and management to be smarter than us message-board folk.

I'll leave it at that. I keep writing/deleting paragraph after paragraph, but can't seem to explain my thoughts on this.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think the Flames wanted to sign Korpikoski but couldn't because of the Johnny situation allowing the Stars to swoop in

This doesn't excuse the time wasted on Korpikoski, to Dallas' benefit. The Johnny situation wasn't a surprise to anyone, and the day training camp started without Johnny having a contract, it was made clear that there wouldn't be a contract signed until the 11th hour.

[442scotty]

All the Pto's are this years 3 headed goalie.... So much time wasted and confusion with this BS that was so obvious to even us uneducated hockey forum people...

[Cecil Terwilliger]

From the main forum all I could see was:

Flames to terminate....


I thought maybe it was Gulutzan not Grossman and that a giant CP wide celebration was gonna break out. It would have been like the end of ROTJ where in the future younger CPers would sit around the fire and have one of the elders tell them tales of those scary 15 games when Glue Gun almost killed our franchise.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

It's disheartening; I expect the Flames coaching and management to be smarter than us message-board folk.

I'll leave it at that. I keep writing/deleting paragraph after paragraph, but can't seem to explain my thoughts on this.

Ahhh... I see the problem...

They ARE smarter than us. There is NO way that a lifetime in the game makes them less so than us armchair GMs and Coaches... but many of us have this belief that "we understand the x" better than them, whether 'x' be the players, the strategy, the dressing room, etc.

Lots of people here talk quite intelligently, and much of the time with lots of great opinions (others not so much), but we shouldn't ever really think we ARE smarter. If we were, we would be the ones with the million dollar jobs.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Grossmann (CAL) is on waivers to terminate contract. Must have an overseas offer.

Looks like he had no interest in playing in the AHL.

Well, wasn't Raymond thought to have had an overseas offer when he got terminated by Anaheim almost two weeks ago? Apparently he's still a free agent.

Either way, good riddance to both Grossmann & Raymond as they're not good enough to be in the NHL anymore and that's the harsh truth.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Our management, folks.

And the management of basically every other team, folks.

Everyone signs depth guys that aren't very good, and they almost always get into games.

3 games out of 14 before having the contract terminated once it served it's purpose?

The horror.

[Allos]

Grossman was the least of our problems. Hope that he can find work some place else.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Pffft all I could see was

[News] Flames to terminate G

I eagerly read it as Gulutzan

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

I'm confused at the continued outrage directed towards this contract and management by people on this board. The Grossman signing was to ensure the Flames received full LTIR relief on Smid's contract. We played him in a few games to avoid any issues with the league and in turn Grossman made ~$90,000 before having his contract terminated for what is most likely a more lucrative deal overseas. Smid's situation is unaffected since it is retroactive to the cap situation at the time his LTIR was filed, and we won't have another useless body taking away minutes from Kulak or any of our prospects in Stockton moving forward.

Grossman was obviously gross and isn't capable of playing in the league anymore, but he also didn't single-handedly cost any games that the team hadn't already collectively shat the bed in.

[bubbsy]

So the guy gets more than half a million bucks this year for 2 months of camp/practice and a handful of games playing bottom pairing minutes.

Lucky guy.

[curves2000]

I have said it before and I will say it again. One of Treleving's bad qualities is an insane level of OVER analysis on things that appear to be evident so most and should be evident to senior staff.

The PTO's, the 3 goalie monster last year, the lack of legit roster spots for guys like Wotherspoon and Kulak(since been better), the "prove it" contract to Bouma when it was rumored he was looking for a $1 mil AAV, the coaching hire which i am sure was analyzed to the T but has yet to do anything but infuriate a fan base.

There are other examples but this Grossman signing is the icing on the cake. We all speculated that part of the rumored deal with Grossman was he would get a few games in and then go to Stockton and the whole idea was to get max cap flexibility. It now appears Grossman has zero intension on being an AHL player and only wanted to stay in the NHL. The now infamous Grossman signing which was to provide the team with X number of benefits has blown up in their face meanwhile the other guys like Korpokoski in Dallas has 3 goals. I am not sure this guy would have turned down a $600k contract when he was here on a PTO.

In any event I am just a frustrated fan because I see the results and it doesn't appear to be working. It almost seems like we are trying to hit specific metrics and markers with the goal of trying to win instead of actually solving problems.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So the guy gets more than half a million bucks this year for 2 months of camp/practice and a handful of games playing bottom pairing minutes.

Lucky guy.

No, he won't keep getting paid after his contract is terminated. He'll end up having been paid about $90,000 USD (minus escrow) for just under a month with the team.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So the guy gets more than half a million bucks this year for 2 months of camp/practice and a handful of games playing bottom pairing minutes.

Lucky guy.

His contract was for $575 000 a year which in the NHL takes you till April. Once the playoffs start then the paychecks stop as well.

Grossman probably "grossed" about $80 000 or so and then from there comes the deductions like escrow, taxes, payroll deductions etc

Today marks a month that the season started so I suspect he got 1 payday out of the deal.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

The now infamous Grossman signing which was to provide the team with X number of benefits has blown up in their face.

lol, oh my god.

Please tell me this post is sarcastic.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol, oh my god.

Please tell me this post is sarcastic.

Yes I was being sarcastic. This signing was crap from the beginning and I don't care what potential benefits it was suppose to provide for the salary cap.

The argument can be made it was suppose to provide X amount of benefits but at the end of the day Grossman isn't an NHL caliber D man in today's game. What the entire purpose of this experiment was, I still don't know.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So glad the Flames wasted the last few pre-season games playing guys like Grossman, Higgins and Korpikoski......none of whom are on the team. Hope this is a lesson for next season for GG, to use the last game or two to get ready for the season, not the first few games of the regular season.

Lets not forget Grossman started in the opener and was a disaster. The next time this coaching staff makes a good decision will be the first. They have been throwing stuff against the wall in hopes of something or anything sticking since preseason with all the goofy pairings, special teams, etc. How is it a guy that wasn't good enough to even play for the Senators has been a mainstay on the Flames top line? Just a nightmare season for fans that are having to endure what's been a season of bumbling and stumbling from this organization.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Yes I was being sarcastic. This signing was crap from the beginning and I don't care what potential benefits it was suppose to provide for the salary cap.



The argument can be made it was suppose to provide X amount of benefits but at the end of the day Grossman isn't an NHL caliber D man in today's game. What the entire purpose of this experiment was, I still don't know.

But it legitimately did provide those benefits, they aren't "supposed."

This "experiment" has been explained 50 times in this thread, read it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I have said it before and I will say it again. One of Treleving's bad qualities is an insane level of OVER analysis on things that appear to be evident so most and should be evident to senior staff.

The PTO's, the 3 goalie monster last year, the lack of legit roster spots for guys like Wotherspoon and Kulak(since been better), the "prove it" contract to Bouma when it was rumored he was looking for a $1 mil AAV, the coaching hire which i am sure was analyzed to the T but has yet to do anything but infuriate a fan base.

There are other examples but this Grossman signing is the icing on the cake. We all speculated that part of the rumored deal with Grossman was he would get a few games in and then go to Stockton and the whole idea was to get max cap flexibility. It now appears Grossman has zero intension on being an AHL player and only wanted to stay in the NHL. The now infamous Grossman signing which was to provide the team with X number of benefits has blown up in their face meanwhile the other guys like Korpokoski in Dallas has 3 goals. I am not sure this guy would have turned down a $600k contract when he was here on a PTO.

In any event I am just a frustrated fan because I see the results and it doesn't appear to be working. It almost seems like we are trying to hit specific metrics and markers with the goal of trying to win instead of actually solving problems.

It's not that at all. It's clear this was part of a Plan A/B situation by management agreed to all along by Grossman. An extended PTO of sorts.

Both A & B get us to the cap and let them put Smid on LTIR.
Plan A: He doesn't perform well enough to make the 7th spot long term and/or Kukak plays well enough to do so (and he did, even good enough to jump Wideman on the depth chart) then he gets waived and possibly found a spot to play in Europe. Then we gain even more cap space terminating his contract.

Plan B: Kulak doesn't play well enough to stay on the team, we have an injury early in the season and Grossman plays well, then he sticks.

Plan A came to be for management.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Great. What am I going to do with this Grossman jersey.