10-27-2016, 07:36 PM
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First round-bust
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Okay find me another big, competent, physical defenceman who is also a fine enforcer.
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Keegan Kanzig.
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10-27-2016, 07:37 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Keegan Kanzig.
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I said competent.
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10-27-2016, 07:40 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I said competent.
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He is plenty competent. He was excellent and much improved at training camp.
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10-27-2016, 07:41 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
He is plenty competent. He was excellent and much improved at training camp.
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Who has now been sent down to the ECHL team.
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10-27-2016, 07:43 PM
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#25
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
Who has now been sent down to the ECHL team.
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Yes, because he'd played all of three professional games before this season and has a very good Stockton defense ahead of him. I'm convinced Kanzig will be an excellent Engelland replacement in a couple years. For the interim, free agency options exist.
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10-27-2016, 07:47 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Yes, because he'd played all of three professional games before this season and has a very good Stockton defense ahead of him. I'm convinced Kanzig will be an excellent Engelland replacement in a couple years. For the interim, free agency options exist.
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Those are real high hopes and expectations for him. He can barely skate, honestly I don't expect him to be even close to as good as Engelland.
His skating isn't just bad, it's horriawful.
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10-27-2016, 07:47 PM
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#27
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I disagree. Jokipakka is something a lot of teams would want... a young, top-4 defenseman still with potential. Engelland is a known commodity who's already 34.
Guys like Engelland are the ones who are dime-a-dozen. Jokipakka is complementing Hamilton very nicely thus far, I think that could become a very, very good pairing in the future.
Also, Wood -- in regards to the Schlemko comparison, he's looking phenomenal this season. Sharks fans love him.
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I don't think current players who can intimidate like Engelland while still being able to step up (Vancouver series playing with Brodie, for example) are that common. And he hasn't been half bad this season. But I do agree that Jokipakka is a potential trading asset, while Engelland would just be a re-sign and done, making retaining Jokipakka more important to this team moving forward
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10-27-2016, 07:52 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Why would any UFA sign with LV in that window and not just wait until full free agency and have 29 more teams as options. Still can sign in LV after exploring the market.
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Testing the UFA market is becoming more and more risky. The stagnant salary cap and the death of bridge deals on players coming out of ELCs means less money for teams to spend on UFAs.
No question top tier UFAs like Burns will get their money, but if you are a 2nd or 3rd tier UFA taking a multi year deal from Vegas during that window may be a better option than gambling and potentially ending up with a 1 year deal for much less than expected or a PTO or even no contract.
Also no guarantee that the Vegas offer will hold up until July 1st. If a player turns them down, they may alter their expansion draft picks to fill the role that player was supposed to play, or make a trade, or move on to another UFA.
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10-27-2016, 07:53 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Yes, because he'd played all of three professional games before this season and has a very good Stockton defense ahead of him. I'm convinced Kanzig will be an excellent Engelland replacement in a couple years. For the interim, free agency options exist.
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Name some.
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10-27-2016, 08:03 PM
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#30
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Originally Posted by calgaryblood
Those are real high hopes and expectations for him. He can barely skate, honestly I don't expect him to be even close to as good as Engelland.
His skating isn't just bad, it's horriawful.
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Caged Great and I both agreed that his skating was much improved at training camp, almost to an NHL-capable level.
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10-27-2016, 08:03 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern
There's a chance he doesn't play significant time in the NHL this season. Would be difficult to justify claiming a non-NHL player for your team. That said, if we do lose him I'd be pissed but ok. Most teams are going to lose a player, and Shinkaruk isn't (yet) a keystone of our team. And it's basically just losing a Sven.
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Vegas is going to be getting 30 players in the expansion draft. Those will mostly be 3rd line forwards and bottom pairing defencemen, so they'll likely be active in free agency to fill out the top of their roster. By mid-July, they could have 35 players under contract who all played significant time in the NHL this season.
They can only have 23 players on their active roster and will need to have some spares in the AHL.
Taking a young guy who can be sent to the AHL without clearing waivers would make a lot of sense for them, especially if they're getting better NHLers from the other teams than what the Flames have available.
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10-27-2016, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Caged Great and I both agreed that his skating was much improved at training camp, almost to an NHL-capable level.
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Arguing about Kanzig is fine, but it's a indisputable fact that there are more guys in the system (who are also closer) that could potentially replace what Jokipakka brings than what Engelland brings. Period.
You still would rather them take Engelland because he's older and slower, but you can't look to the system to replace him like you can with Jokipakka.
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10-27-2016, 08:25 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I disagree. Jokipakka is something a lot of teams would want... a young, top-4 defenseman still with potential. Engelland is a known commodity who's already 34.
Guys like Engelland are the ones who are dime-a-dozen. Jokipakka is complementing Hamilton very nicely thus far, I think that could become a very, very good pairing in the future.
Also, Wood -- in regards to the Schlemko comparison, he's looking phenomenal this season. Sharks fans love him.
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I don't think either player is the difference between winning and losing. Calling Jokipakka top 4 may be premature.
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10-27-2016, 08:49 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
not that there will be any big name RFAs left unprotected, but I'm assuming a team would get the customary time to match if Vegas did sign someone to an offer sheet?
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Probably not. If the player is unprotected and it is counted as the Vegas pick from that team, Vegas would own the player's rights before they signed him.
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10-27-2016, 09:07 PM
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First Line Centre
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I find it more ridiculous that they haven't even figured this stupid expansion draft/rules yet. It's like they're just flying by the seat of their pants.
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10-27-2016, 09:14 PM
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#36
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Behind the microphone
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Kinda seems like the league is just making it up as they go.
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You'd think they'd never done this before.
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10-27-2016, 09:15 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Keegan Kanzig will never play in the NHL. I'm 100% confident in that.
That said, I'd keep Jokipakka over Engelland just due to age. I really like Engelland though.
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10-27-2016, 09:45 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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Keegan Kanzig and Hunter Smith were both awful picks.
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10-27-2016, 09:58 PM
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#39
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First Line Centre
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With 30 choices, picking Shinkaruk sounds plausible, another possibility is negotiating a contract in June for either Ferland or Jokipakka (RFA's)
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10-27-2016, 09:58 PM
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#40
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Originally Posted by nik-
Keegan Kanzig and Hunter Smith were both awful picks.
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Every organization needs depth farm guys.
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