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Old 10-19-2016, 09:28 AM   #21
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I think Brodie has been a human hand grenade every bit as much as the other two.

Really has to come down to trying to do too much. Thinking too much. It will come. All signs point to a turnaround in my mind.
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:32 AM   #22
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I'm not totally down with the details of every rule, but, I didn't think a call of "no goal" could be reversed without an official video review?

Also continues to show my frustration with the stupid coach's challenge system. Hey, guy was an inch offside thirty seconds ago, lets ask for a video review for three minutes. Refs reverse a no goal call without even looking at a replay because... ??... And you just need to deal with it.
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I'm not totally down with the details of every rule, but, I didn't think a call of "no goal" could be reversed without an official video review?

Also continues to show my frustration with the stupid coach's challenge system. Hey, guy was an inch offside thirty seconds ago, lets ask for a video review for three minutes. Refs reverse a no goal call without even looking at a replay because... ??... And you just need to deal with it.
Yeah, I never saw that before. It ended up being the fair call because the goal should have counted, but in the past it was always called a no-goal because the ref blew the whistle or was in the process of blowing the whistle. Maybe the NHL made a rule change that we don't know about or the refs just decided on their own to make it right.
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I think Brodie has been a human hand grenade every bit as much as the other two.

Really has to come down to trying to do too much. Thinking too much. It will come. All signs point to a turnaround in my mind.
I have thought Brodie has been terrible so far this season, worse than anyone not named Grossman or Wideman. Fumbling pucks, not exiting the zone and making bad reads. Last year he was money at skating the puck out but this year it seems like he can't control anything. He's an amazing dman and will get his groove back I'm sure but with all the Hamilton hate I think Brodie has actually looked worse.
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:33 AM   #25
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I don't know if it will ever happen but I would like to see Monahan unplugged from Johnny for a while to see what he does... Johnny drives the play and is the possession guy with his line mates adjusting themselves accordingly.. I would like to see Monahan try and do more with the puck.. He showed a couple of shifts that he can actually carry the puck and drive a play... He seems to get too comfortable at times letting Johnny do the work which Johnny is so good at.

Maybe switch Monahan and Bennett for a while and see what happens... I doubt it will happen because the team cant afford the luxury of experimentation with the season under way...
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:47 PM   #26
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Well the Flames can use the advanced stats for their benefit this year. Rather than having a decent record and putrid advanced stats they actually have a record under .500 with all signs pointing to bad luck.

6th in the NHL with a corsi for at 55%
29th in the NHL with a PDO of .942

that usually spells team that isn't getting the bounces

the PDO breakdown is save % at 29th and shooting percentage at 20th
Yeah maybe it's luck, as PDO is sometimes cited as being a representative of. Or maybe it represents a team that is shooting a lot from low-percentage areas and giving up a few really high quality scoring chances against every game. Which is exactly what I'm seeing.
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:57 PM   #27
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Yeah maybe it's luck, as PDO is sometimes cited as being a representative of. Or maybe it represents a team that is shooting a lot from low-percentage areas and giving up a few really high quality scoring chances against every game. Which is exactly what I'm seeing.
I hate PDO. It doesn't show that you gave 5 breakaways, or that you constantly shoot in the middle of the goalie crest. 2 years ago, the Flames PDO was unstustainable, yet they continued that way into the 2nd round of the playoffs. Now they have a bottom PDO indicating they are playing much better than their record and are just unlucky, yet we all know this is not true. Eakins had an abysmal PDO, and was claimed to be an 'unlucky coach'

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Expressed as PDO, that is .959 under Eakins, .982 since he left. Both numbers are crummy, but the first of those is off the charts. If in your belief system PDO is an expression of “luck”, then Dallas Eakins was one unlucky coach.
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:58 PM   #28
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I'm not totally down with the details of every rule, but, I didn't think a call of "no goal" could be reversed without an official video review?
I'm amazed that there was no subsequent explanation of that. You're correct - Rule 38.4(viii) says:

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The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in
determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they
are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that
enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the
net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator
netting prior to being directed immediately into the goal, pucks that
enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc.

This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play
or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of
the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the
puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the
culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the
whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering
the net at the end of a continuous play).
You can't overturn that play without video review. That being said, I'm sure video review would have led tot he same result.

This is the only other example of this that I've seen:


However, in that case, the decision was based on the ruling that the shot happened before the whistle blew, and it continued into the net, unaffected by the whistle. In this case, it looked to me like Frolik shot it after the whistle.
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Old 10-19-2016, 01:05 PM   #29
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I dislike the Brodano monkier

Good write up beyond that.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:04 PM   #30
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Eakins had an abysmal PDO, and was claimed to be an 'unlucky coach'
In fairness, Eakins was an unlucky coach.

Not in the sense of "oh, the shots aren't going in" but he was unlucky in the sense that he was coaching the 2013-15 Edmonton Oilers. A team with no goaltending, no 4-12 forward depth, and no top pairing defensemen.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:07 PM   #31
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While SN was having sound issues I switched over to the Buffalo feed. Best part was their announcer kept calling Ferland "Freeland" on a couple occasions.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:12 PM   #32
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I dislike the Brodano monkier

Good write up beyond that.
Does Giordie tickle your fancy?
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Don't see backs and Monahan get killed like that often.
Most of the Sabres' faceoff men were around 50% or less, with the exception of O'Reilly. He's likely faced Backlund and Monahan the most, which explains their dismal stats. O'Reilly is a faceoff beast.
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