Gudas hits Vesey - Boarding Major

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Objection, character assassination. Is it my client that is on trial here or his actions?

Do you react to the same play if Gudas is wearing a Crosby jersey?

The hit is the hit, regardless of the jersey. The assumption of intent of that hit depends heavily on the history of the player.

It's careless, and the player has a history of being both that and dirty.

[GirlySports]

I wish the real law was like NHL law. I could murder someone but since I'm a first time offender I get a light sentence

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Are you aware how the NHL doles out suspensions? Past history is a huge factor.

It's a huge factor in determining the length of a suspension, not whether or not a play is suspendable or not...

[wireframe]

He'll get suspended for the rest of the preseason but 0 regular season games. They have to send a message (even a weak one) because some hyped young player got hurt but Gudas could have done nothing different.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by wireframe

He'll get suspended for the rest of the preseason but 0 regular season games. They have to send a message (even a weak one) because some hyped young player got hurt but Gudas could have done nothing different.

Actually there isn't even going to be a hearing.

Put away the pitch forks guys, Gudas isn't getting suspended nor should he be.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Actually there isn't even going to be a hearing.

Put away the pitch forks guys, Gudas isn't getting suspended nor should he be.

I hope you're right. I've lost faith in the NHL doing the logical thing for some reason. It's probably unfair but I can't help thinking they always want to send some message

[Trailer Fire]

I'm definitely no fan of Gudas, but that outcome isn't all on him. Could he have let up? It's likely, but a split second decision isn't always easy to make. Could Vesey have chosen to not turn into the boards like that? Absolutely. Protect yourself first, make the play second. I really don't think Gudas was being malicious. He simply finished what should have been a solid hit, but the recipient got cute and put himself in danger.

[Galakanokis]

No suspension, Vesey should learn how to take a hit. Defensemen get hit from behind every game, multiple times a game. The difference? They expect to be hit and prepare for it. They don't put their head down and try to be fancy. How is Gudas, any defencemen really suppose to know that at the last split second the forward is going to turn his back? We have the benefit of slow motion replay and don't really realize how fast those plays happen. Once you commit to the hit you are well, pretty much committed to to it. If you don't commit to the hit? You're probably not playing in the NHL.

[FlamesAddiction]

I love Gudas. One of the few players right now that provides that mental edge.

I agree with the panealty though, but I don't think further action is needed. It's one of those ones that looks worse in slow motion, but given the speed of the game, Gudas has no time to bail on the hit after Vesey turned.

[calculoso]

Dirty hit. Vesey has his back turned to Gudas for quite some time. Gudas had plenty of time to veer towards Vesey all the while Vesey had his back turned, and could have easily avoided the hit or adjusted it so that he didn't hit Vesey in the upper back/Shoulder/Head area.

[darthma]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Also want to add that hockey is a dangerous ass sport, and these players are well compensated for the danger they face.

They're not being paid 'danger pay' though. They are paid based on talent. But I could be misinterpreting your comment. *shrug*

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Dirty hit. Vesey has his back turned to Gudas for quite some time. Gudas had plenty of time to veer towards Vesey all the while Vesey had his back turned, and could have easily avoided the hit or adjusted it so that he didn't hit Vesey in the upper back/Shoulder/Head area.

Are you watching slow motion or real time? He hit Vesey about 0.3 seconds after Vesey turned his back. I'm not sure what super man level reaction time you have, but I don't think Gudas has super powers.

Seriously if you guys can't stand this level of contact, find a new sport.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Are you watching slow motion or real time? He hit Vesey about 0.3 seconds after Vesey turned his back. I'm not sure what super man level reaction time you have, but I don't think Gudas has super powers.

Seriously if you guys can't stand this level of contact, find a new sport.

He had enough time to pivot to the left, and could have pivoted less to hit his lower back/hips instead of his shoulder area.

Comments like this completely take the onus off of the hitter. Maybe you should adjust to the new realities instead of being stuck in the head hunting past.

[MarkGio]

I don't think Gudas is completely to blame. Gudas knows the puck is being dumped, he sees Vesey beating him to the puck, and since Vesey has a clear step ahead of Gudas, Vesey's numbers are always in front of Gudas.

However, Gudas follows through perhaps thinking Vesey will push forward or chip. Vesey instead stops. Had Vesey kept skating, Gudas could have made a clean check to Vesey's shoulder, rubbing him off the puck along the boards. It's Gudas' job to cut off the forward when they get the puck and prevent the forward from further puck movement.

Vesey stops to try and maintain possession, when he should have pushed the puck forward and taken a clean hit. He can still take the hit, stay on his feet, and then beat Gudas to the puck after.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by calculoso

He had enough time to pivot to the left, and could have pivoted less to hit his lower back/hips instead of his shoulder area.

Comments like this completely take the onus off of the hitter. Maybe you should adjust to the new realities instead of being stuck in the head hunting past.

How is this head hunting? He's doing a routine check around the corner of the boards.

And how the hell is he able to 'pivot to the left' in 0.3 seconds? The average reaction time is 0.25 seconds, so that means he had 0.05 seconds to change his skating path, which is not possible.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by calculoso

He had enough time to pivot to the left, and could have pivoted less to hit his lower back/hips instead of his shoulder area.

Comments like this completely take the onus off of the hitter. Maybe you should adjust to the new realities instead of being stuck in the head hunting past.

No, the human body is limited. Gudas needs to 1)perceive, 2) acknowledge, 3) React, and then 4) Confirm effective reaction in a matter of 0.3 seconds? He might be able to acknowledge within that short of a time frame, but that's about it. They even teach these times to drivers when they're getting their learners license.

Even if assuming Gudas has super neurons and can react in 0.3 seconds, he might not be skilled on his skates to safely adjust his current projected path. He's clearly skating hard leading up to the event and so he has gained some speed before heading towards the boards. It's not easy to just pivot when on ice, especially knowing you have to find a way to stop after and not get cut from your team by letting buddy go on an undefended skate around your zone

[1Nite]

I don't know what the hell Vesey was trying to do there, and being new maybe he is not aware who he is on the ice with, so I think he is part to blame, and Gudas does have that reputation for pass actions, he was going for a good hit, I don't think he could have avoided it, but it still looks like he powered into him instead of easing into a player who just put himself in a bad situation.

[Wood]

It's definitely black and blue. How can you see it as white and gold?

[IgiTang]

Some forwards are smart enough to realize who they're forechecking on and know how to take advantage of certain dmen in knowing what they're going to do.

Vessey had to have known or at least ought to have known that Gudas was going to plaster him against the boards. To ensure he draws the penalty, hard forechecking, slightly over-skate the puck, turn face to the glass and numbers to the hitter and boom, penalty drawn.

The fact it was a 5 minute major was just gravy. Sweet, sacrificing the body to make a play gravy.

[Mass_nerder]

Just bad luck.
I really dislike Gudas, and think he's a dirty player, but Gudas had already initiated the hit when Vessey made the pivot.
More often then not on a play like that, the player in Vessey's position would continue around the boards behind the net, in which case, Gudas's hit would have been an every day play.