Flames have an overage penalty against their cap for 16/17

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You may not have heard it about it but I did.

The reason it wasn't a compliance buyout is the Flames wanted to use one on a much larger salary such as Ribeiro or Cam Ward, but ultimately couldn't make either of those deals work (ribeiro used his no trade, forcing the yotes to buy him out instead of the flames).

At the time, his salary didn't matter for buyout purposes as the flames were well below the cap ceiling, and arguably it still doesn't matter because the guy was awful and it was worth buying him out instead of playing him or having him around the organization, even in the minors.

Fair enough, but after reading through the previous thread in regards to it it sounds like at the time it didn't make sense they would use a Compliance Buyout. Interesting turn of events.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Buying him out was the right move. Not using a compliance buyout was not. The future is uncertain, you don't know what the cap needs will be a few years down the road. That was the short sighted part.

Originally Posted by FeyWest

Fair enough, but after reading through the previous thread in regards to it it sounds like at the time it didn't make sense they would use a Compliance Buyout. Interesting turn of events.

I believe for compliance buyouts you couldn't use one on a deal that had been signed that year. I would have to look it up but there was language about when the contract was entered into and whether it qualified for a compliance buyout.

[AcGold]

The plot thickens....

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Buying him out was the right move. Not using a compliance buyout was not. The future is uncertain, you don't know what the cap needs will be a few years down the road. That was the short sighted part.

The only reason this is making as much buzz as it is is because it was improperly reported by Kypreos at the time. Plus the context 2 years ago was different and everyone was surprised by the fact we used a Compliance Buyout...

This is only new information to us as Armchair GM's but I have no doubt the Tre knew what they had for Cap Space seeing as their the ones ultimately who keep track of their buyots/trades/buries/etc.... It's not going to affect signing Gaudreau other than unable to sign him at $8M which I think everyone agrees he wasn't signing at anyways.

[Flash Walken]

Let's be real here for a second as well. It's not the mason raymond or shane o'brien buyouts that are a problem, it's the $9 million tied up with Wideman and Smid that is the problem.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Which players had bonus eligible deals last season? Seven hitting bonus targets seems high.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. The only players who should have hit their bonus targets are Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. None of the other Entry-Level players came close to any of the bonus minimums.

Even Monahan and Bennett shouldn't have maxed out their bonuses.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. The only players who should have hit their bonus targets are Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. None of the other Entry-Level players came close to any of the bonus minimums.

Even Monahan and Bennett shouldn't have maxed out their bonuses.

Maybe Ferland and/or Shinkaruk for a games played bonus?

edit: i am just speaking out of my ass here

[Jacks]

It was reported at the time that SOB was a regular buyout, it made no sense at the time either but noone seemed to care because we were so far under the cap.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The Ribeiro and Ward trades fell through at the draft. They both reportedly needed each teams respective 1st round picks to work, so doubtful they could be revisited after the draft without major reworking the deal.

SOB was bought out after the draft. Don't think that line of thinking works.

Also, Ribeiro's contract wasn't eligible for a compliance buyout because it was signed after the new CBA was ratified. Only those contracts signed before the lockout were compliance eligible.

I don't know for certain, but I never got the impression that Treliving was trying to acquire Ward for buyout purposes. That made sense as a trade for the player.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. The only players who should have hit their bonus targets are Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. None of the other Entry-Level players came close to any of the bonus minimums.

Maybe it was 7 bonuses hit (as opposed to 7 players hitting bonuses) So Johnny/Sean/Sam collectively hit the threshold on 7 catagories.

[dakeyras]

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/fl...formance-bonus

The Cap Friendly site shows only 2 performance bonuses affecting this year's cap.
Bennett - $2,300,000
Shinkaruk - $212,500

Naturally it doesn't have anything regarding last year's cap in my cursory search.

[dino7c]

EDIT I was wrong

Still possibly they were saving them for....something

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe Ferland and/or Shinkaruk for a games played bonus?

edit: i am just speaking out of my ass here

According to the CBA, games played bonuses (if any) are supposed to be included in the player's regular salary.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let's be real here for a second as well. It's not the mason raymond or shane o'brien buyouts that are a problem, it's the $9 million tied up with Wideman and Smid that is the problem.

Let's be even realer here. This has only become a cap problem because Treliving didn't know a top pairing defenseman was going to fall into his hands for only picks.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Maybe it was 7 bonuses hit (as opposed to 7 players hitting bonuses) So Johnny/Sean/Sam collectively hit the threshold on 7 catagories.

Originally Posted by dakeyras

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/fl...formance-bonus

The Cap Friendly site shows only 2 performance bonuses affecting this year's cap.
Bennett - $2,300,000
Shinkaruk - $212,500

Naturally it doesn't have anything regarding last year's cap in my cursory search.

dakeyras, your reply got me thinking to use wayback machine to see the breakdown for 15-16. It shows 4 deals on the final roster with performance bonuses:

Bennett - $2.3M
Gaudreau - $1.85M
Monahan - $0.85M
Nakladal - $0.1075M

A number of minor leaguers were bonus eligible as well, but of those only Kulak, Kylington, Shinkaruk, and Hathaway even played an NHL game. Granlund was also performance bonus eligible before he was dealt. So 7 bonus targets being met by the 4 players seems more likely than 7 players each hitting bonus targets.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Let's be even realer here. This has only become a cap problem because Treliving didn't know a top pairing defenseman was going to fall into his hands for only picks.

You mean Tre didn't plan this whole situation out back in 2014?? Such short-sightedness! [/s]

I'm glad 99% of us are being realistic in this situation, totally thought I'd hear much more flak against Tre. Makes me happy we all haven't gone crazy with Hockey withdrawl. Still sure Gaudreau signs between $7M~$7.25M, should give us a bit of a bargaining chip for Nakdaddy.

[Finger Cookin]

Gaudreau would have been eligible for $2M in individual 'B' bonuses to be paid by the league last year (amongst forwards, 5th in points, 10th in assists, 8th in PPG). The Flames may have matched those B bonuses, which could be three of the seven paid.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Gaudreau would have been eligible for $2M in individual 'B' bonuses to be paid by the league last year (amongst forwards, 5th in points, 10th in assists, 8th in PPG). The Flames may have matched those B bonuses, which could be three of the seven paid.

The "B" bonuses are already included in Gaudreau's $1.85M total eligible bonuses. "A" bonuses max out at $850,000.

[Freeway]

It was originally reported by many sources, including the NHL's site, as a compliance buyout and is listed on their public tracker as such.

[GranteedEV]

The cap management since Burke came on board hasn't been great. A lot of really short-term thinking moves for a bottom feeding team.