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Old 08-22-2016, 09:05 AM   #21
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the question to ask is can we weaponize it?

BTW this is pretty cool stuff.
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Old 08-22-2016, 09:07 AM   #22
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Old 08-24-2016, 11:50 AM   #23
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A good documentary to watch is "Particle Fever" on Netflix. It explains supersymmetry (SUSY) theory and Multiverse theory. It revolves around finding the so called "God Particle". Quite fascinating.

It doesnt really go into Dark Energy or Dark Matter, but atleast you wont be 100% lost when reading the article in the OP. Only like 98% lost
I just watched Particle Fever last night and was disappointed. I'm not sure what it is supposed to be about. It doesn't spend much time on the science, spends no time on the engineering of the LHC, and although interviews some scientists, it doesn't spend too much time on their back story. So it is not about the science, engineering or the people. There's a lot of other layman's scientific shows I would recommend ahead of Particle Fever.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:23 PM   #24
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I just watched Particle Fever last night and was disappointed. I'm not sure what it is supposed to be about. It doesn't spend much time on the science, spends no time on the engineering of the LHC, and although interviews some scientists, it doesn't spend too much time on their back story. So it is not about the science, engineering or the people. There's a lot of other layman's scientific shows I would recommend ahead of Particle Fever.
It is about finding the hitherto theorized "God" particle and its features. There were two competing theories that would bring mankind closer to the "Theory of Everything" - SUSY and Multiverse theory. The god particle having a particular EV (I think, my recollection is fuzzy) would lend credence to one theory or another. In the end (SPOILERS), the EV rating didnt strongly favour either SUSY or Multiverse theory implying more work needed to be done.

BTW, care to share those other layman scientific shows. I'd be interested in checking them out. Im so far aware of Cosmos and NOVA tv shows staring Brian Greene. Would love to check out others.
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Universes Deepest Secrets is the newest one.

There's also How The Universe Works and Cosmos. The former having 5 seasons.

For the most part they all basically seem to regurgitate the same things at this point, which makes sense since they all have been made in the last 2-3 years.

Cosmos at least adds some story telling into the mix.
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Old 08-24-2016, 01:20 PM   #26
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It is about finding the hitherto theorized "God" particle and its features. There were two competing theories that would bring mankind closer to the "Theory of Everything" - SUSY and Multiverse theory. The god particle having a particular EV (I think, my recollection is fuzzy) would lend credence to one theory or another. In the end (SPOILERS), the EV rating didnt strongly favour either SUSY or Multiverse theory implying more work needed to be done.

BTW, care to share those other layman scientific shows. I'd be interested in checking them out. Im so far aware of Cosmos and NOVA tv shows staring Brian Greene. Would love to check out others.
They did throw the supersymmetry versus multiverse theory stuff around at the end, but they didn't even try to explain the science at all. All they said was 115 GeV fits well with supersymmetry and 140 GeV fits better with multiversus theories.

Cosmos and NOVA are both great. I also really enjoy PBS SpaceTime on YouTube. Right now they are getting into the double slit experiment and how single photons or particles will distribute themselves in a wave interference pattern even if they are fired once at a time. That is unless you measure which slit they come out of, then they act as if they are individual particles. It is absolutely fascinating how quatum particles act like waves of all probilities all at the sametime until you measure them and the wave collapes. SpaceTime also links to other great YouTube shows when they reference them.
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:03 PM   #27
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I've only taken one university level physics course so I am by no means any expert. But I pay attention to allot of this stuff.

My guess is this discovery would have very little short term real world implications because they would likely spend the next 20 years playing around with confirming and measuring this force.

History would suggest a discovery of this scale would mainly mean dreaming up new hypothesis that might be tested in 2050 or 2060, which would hopefully find new ways that we can physically interact with the universe. Interactions that could take as much as 100 years for us to even test in practice. (That said the way technology seems to progress maybe all that happens in 1/3 of the time)
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http://www.particlebites.com/?p=3970

Here's a pretty technical yet still sort of readable version of this new particle and what in means.
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What's really fascinating to me is that we really don't know anything about the fundamental forces.

Like we know how magnets work but not WHY. We don't really know what the electromagnetic force is. The fundamental forces JUST ARE.
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I thought we pretty much had all the fundamental forces figured out, as their are force carriers, like electrons. The one we don't have is gravity, and the hunt for the elusive gravitron(and if someone posts a picture of the carnival ride, I will punch you). Or am I wrong on that?
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naming it "dark matter" and "dark energy" was a massive mistake. It implies that we know that its some type of matter or some type of energy. In reality its just the name of an anomaly in our observations we can't figure out.
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What's really fascinating to me is that we really don't know anything about the fundamental forces.

Like we know how magnets work but not WHY. We don't really know what the electromagnetic force is. The fundamental forces JUST ARE.
at some point you will always invoke the Anthropic principle which is if it wasn't this way we wouldn't exist to as the question. Eventually you hit the smallest thing that just be.
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I thought we pretty much had all the fundamental forces figured out, as their are force carriers, like electrons. The one we don't have is gravity, and the hunt for the elusive gravitron(and if someone posts a picture of the carnival ride, I will punch you). Or am I wrong on that?



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What's really fascinating to me is that we really don't know anything about the fundamental forces.

Like we know how magnets work but not WHY. We don't really know what the electromagnetic force is. The fundamental forces JUST ARE.
Aren't the forces just a result of the degradation of one single force that existed at the time of the big bang? Like radioactive elements breaking down into sub elements, the physical forces of the universe are falling apart and becoming more chaotic as the universe expands? I either read that or dreamed it.

I guess it doesn't answer the question completely as eventually you reverse engineer everything back to a singularity and have to ask; why is there something instead of nothing?
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I almost feel like I can understand this after watching the following:

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naming it "dark matter" and "dark energy" was a massive mistake. It implies that we know that its some type of matter or some type of energy. In reality its just the name of an anomaly in our observations we can't figure out.

But yeah I watch a lot of space and physics documentaries and shows (Ive literally watched everything I could find post 2010). Theres a lot of really good ones that explain things well in laymans terms.
If it ain't matter and it ain't energy, then E != mc2.

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