08-15-2016, 01:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by 868904
I'm pretty high on Kylington, but ever since that other thread regarding the Swedish article, there seems to be this feeling that he is close.
I don't think he is close at all. He scored 12 points last year, for an offensive defenceman. He needs at least a full season in the AHL putting up at least over 0.50 ppg before he should even seriously be considered a legitimate top 6 candidate.
Karlsson spent only 12 games in the AHL, but that was because he put up 11 points in that time frame.
There's no rush at all for Kylington. He's 19 years old. Give the kid some time. He's playing the most difficult position and it took Brodie years to finally make it. Shouldn't be any different for Kylington.
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I like your post the only difference is that Kylington was 18 for his first AHL season while Karlsson was 19. Right now I'd put Wotherspoon and Kulak as more likely to make the team than Kylington.
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08-15-2016, 01:15 PM
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First Line Centre
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Now that we have Hickey, Andersson and Kylington in the system, I can't see Wother having a career here
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08-15-2016, 01:20 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by MarkGio
Now that we have Hickey, Andersson and Kylington in the system, I can't see Wother having a career here
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He easily can. He is 3-4 years older than those players and the Flames may turn over half their blueline next season with Smid, Wideman, Engellend likely in their last years with the organization. Jokkipakka may not make it through expansion. Lots of room for one of Spoon, Kulak, or even Culkin to make a move
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08-15-2016, 01:23 PM
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#24
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
I'm pretty high on Kylington, but ever since that other thread regarding the Swedish article, there seems to be this feeling that he is close.
I don't think he is close at all. He scored 12 points last year, for an offensive defenceman. He needs at least a full season in the AHL putting up at least over 0.50 ppg before he should even seriously be considered a legitimate top 6 candidate.
Karlsson spent only 12 games in the AHL, but that was because he put up 11 points in that time frame.
There's no rush at all for Kylington. He's 19 years old. Give the kid some time. He's playing the most difficult position and it took Brodie years to finally make it. Shouldn't be any different for Kylington.
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My biggest concern with Kylington is the fact that he's pretty lean and lacking in strength still. Unless he packs on some muscle over the summer, I can't see him having a realistic shot at making the Flames this season.
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08-15-2016, 01:56 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Conquering the world one 7-11 at a time
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Meh. If they were going to be bringing back guys like this then I would have rather had Nakladal, I think he brings more. Guess that ship has sailed. Spoon is a workable 7th defenseman and I'm assuming the price was right.
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08-15-2016, 01:58 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Newly signed Tyler Wotherspoon joins us at 3:25 pm this afternoon.
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08-15-2016, 02:03 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Redliner
Meh. If they were going to be bringing back guys like this then I would have rather had Nakladal, I think he brings more. Guess that ship has sailed. Spoon is a workable 7th defenseman and I'm assuming the price was right.
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One thing I haven't understood this summer is the huge amount of love for Nakladal? Guy is the definition of mediocre depth Dman. At least Spoon is 23 to Nak who is 29
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08-15-2016, 02:06 PM
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#28
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
One thing I haven't understood this summer is the huge amount of love for Nakladal? Guy is the definition of mediocre depth Dman. At least Spoon is 23 to Nak who is 29
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Nak looked far more at home in the NHL than Wotherspoon.
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08-15-2016, 02:10 PM
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GOAT!
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If they're signing other players, they must know what the dollars are for the Johnny and Mony deals.
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08-15-2016, 02:18 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by polak
Nak looked far more at home in the NHL than Wotherspoon.
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I didn't really notice. I thought both were fine in bottom pairing roles but one guy is 23 and the other 29. I have no problems bringing Nakladal back but if he is gone for good then it really is no loss either.
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08-15-2016, 02:19 PM
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#31
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
If they're signing other players, they must know what the dollars are for the Johnny and Mony deals.
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Was thinking the same. Or they know smid is out
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08-15-2016, 02:23 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
One thing I haven't understood this summer is the huge amount of love for Nakladal? Guy is the definition of mediocre depth Dman. At least Spoon is 23 to Nak who is 29
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Guy scored 2 goals in just 383 minutes, while displaying clean breakout skills and strong offensive zone blue line holding sense. His value-added is that of a solid bottom pair D, not mediocre depth. Mediocre depth would be a guy like Engelland.
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08-15-2016, 02:33 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Guy scored 2 goals in just 383 minutes, while displaying clean breakout skills and strong offensive zone blue line holding sense. His value-added is that of a solid bottom pair D, not mediocre depth. Mediocre depth would be a guy like Engelland.
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If he is so great why is he not signed anywhere yet? He got 12 minutes a game for 32 games and scored 2 goals. Not bad not great maybe just mediocre?
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08-15-2016, 02:48 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
If he is so great why is he not signed anywhere yet? He got 12 minutes a game for 32 games and scored 2 goals. Not bad not great maybe just mediocre?
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The same reason Dave Schlemko couldn't get a deal with the Flames the year before. too much bad money, it's got nothing to do with the player himself just the business of the game
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08-15-2016, 02:55 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
If he is so great why is he not signed anywhere yet?
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This again?
How many teams do you think even had a scout out to watch Nakladal in even one game last season in the NHL? He's a relative unknown. Did he play in the playoffs where GMs are watching just out of general interest and a guy catches their eye? No he played in the regular season for a team that was already out of the playoff race. That is not a knock on him as an individual, it's simply a statement of his exposure.
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He got 12 minutes a game for 32 games and scored 2 goals. Not bad
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Not bad? It's 2/3rds of the goal scoring rate of Dougie Hamilton. And they weren't flukey goals, they passed the eye test as did many of his non-goal shots. One of which was a snipe that was Iginla-esque.
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08-15-2016, 03:05 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Kylington is nowhere near as good as Wotherspoon defensively. I'd be shocked if Kylington maintained an NHL spot over Wotherspoon.
As someone who watched/listened to most of the Heat games, I was pleased with Kylington. But he's not ready. Not even close. I guess I agree with 868904.
I like this deal for the Flames and Wotherspoon.
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08-15-2016, 03:09 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
This again?
How many teams do you think even had a scout out to watch Nakladal in even one game last season in the NHL? He's a relative unknown. Did he play in the playoffs where GMs are watching just out of general interest and a guy catches their eye? No he played in the regular season for a team that was already out of the playoff race. That is not a knock on him as an individual, it's simply a statement of his exposure.
Not bad? It's 2/3rds of the goal scoring rate of Dougie Hamilton. And they weren't flukey goals, they passed the eye test as did many of his non-goal shots. One of which was a snipe that was Iginla-esque.
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Dear god your overrating of Nakladal has seriously reached dangerous levels.
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08-15-2016, 03:15 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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This site says it's for $625,000 at the NHL level. His previous contract was for $925,000 but lower money may give him a better chance of playing if the cap comes into play.
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08-15-2016, 03:16 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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General Fanager @generalfanager
Tyler Wotherspoon (#Flames)
1 yr two-way @ $625,000 cap hit
$125,000 AHL
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So, he took a lower NHL salary to get a higher AHL salary.
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08-15-2016, 03:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Nakladal is better at playing defense than Wideman, Russell, Jokipakka, and Engelland.
It pains me that the Flames' 4th best option at defense is simply being let walk because of Wideman/Engelland/Smid's horrible contract situations.
Imagine if the Flames were able to keep Schlemko. We wouldn't be stressing out wondering whether or not Jokipakka/Wotherspoon/Kulak will be able to keep up in the top 4 next season. The time to start competing is now while Bennett and Tkachuk are still on ELC's, and I'd feel a lot better about the Flames' chances to compete if they had a Schlemko-Jokipakka-Nakladal bottom three than the Smid-Wideman-Engelland disaster they're currently paying.
Also, wow, 625k. That is a great contract. Hopefully Spoon can find himself a spot on the roster this year.
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