Unemployed Albertans inundate Vancouver homeless shelters

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by polak

Yes, you could improve the situation, like I said, the trainwreck that is the NDP is terri-bad but you're talking minimal improvements on an industry which you know full well will never be able to survive at current price levels regardless of if you reverse everything the NDP did.

So when you come into a thread like this and every post is going on how this is the NDP's fault, well sorry, that's ridiculous.

Which is all anyone was saying. So you told them to not to say it because it isn't true, then stated it yourself.

Nobody's said it's all the NDP's fault. The sarcastic, oversimplified "yeah, if you haven't noticed the Oil industry is the reason for the economic downturn" reaction to anything negative said towards our tire fire of a provincial government has become a meme of it's own, but you guys probably don't even notice.

[FlamingHomer]

Is it really Albertans going to the BC homeless shelters or BC people who moved out here to Alberta for work and are now heading back?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I would wager to say that most anyone now who has moved to BC or another province - homeless or not - would not move back to Alberta unless there was an employment opportunity in hand, NDP or PC.

Sucks to see people leaving but it is a consequence of downturn.

I mean you'd have to basically double my salary to get me to move back at this point and I don't even have kids and/or a house.

[Ozy_Flame]

And I honestly believe you're not the exception. I am sure there are more than a handful of outgoing Albertans that would only come back on a guaranteed miracle. They've experienced the highs of a booming economy and the brutal uncertainty of resource-based province. I think this whole recession has soured many people from coming back. Not sure a newly-installed right-wing government is anywhere near enough to entice any more than a few hardcore Alberta purists to come back. Anecdotal, of course, but that's what I get the feeling from people I know who have moved away.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And I honestly believe you're not the exception. I am sure there are more than a handful of outgoing Albertans that would only come back on a guaranteed miracle. They've experienced the highs of a booming economy and the brutal uncertainty of resource-based province. I think this whole recession has soured many people from coming back. Not sure a newly-installed right-wing government is anywhere near enough to entice any more than a few hardcore Alberta purists to come back. Anecdotal, of course, but that's what I get the feeling from people I know who have moved away.

Honestly a new right-wing government would probably make it less likely for me to come back. I'm someone who unfortunately has to rely on the health care system pretty regularly and with the cuts I'm sure the WRP would bring in with them, there's no chance I'd risk moving back with them in charge. That's probably not a huge deal for the majority of the population but certainly is a deciding factor for me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Which is all anyone was saying. So you told them to not to say it because it isn't true, then stated it yourself.

Nobody's said it's all the NDP's fault. The sarcastic, oversimplified "yeah, if you haven't noticed the Oil industry is the reason for the economic downturn" reaction to anything negative said towards our tire fire of a provincial government has become a meme of it's own, but you guys probably don't even notice.

And that is exactly it. It is not all the NDP's fault. They arent improving the situation, but of course there are also significant external factors.

And in the wise words of Lieutenant Lockhart:

NSFW!

[_Q_]

I'd probably move back to Calgary for less money than I'm making now, but I currently live in Louisiana. Had I moved to Vancouver or Toronto, I'm not so sure I'd be to willing to go back so easily. I will say one thing, however, it would take an obscene amount of money to consider a job in Oil and Gas again.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by polak

You guys are the delusional ones. Desperate for someone to blame for this besides our own crappy economic situation. I guess it helps people deal with the fact that we have no control over our situation what so ever.

Is this your first time experiencing a economic downturn? You're throwing a tantrum like it is. Some of us have seen quite a few of these now in Alberta, and it's become very obvious that the NDP is mishandling it far worse than any prior goverment.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by polak

Cause there would be TONS of work if any other party was in power.

Our economy is F****D. We have one export and it's not profitable. No political voodoo would change that.

It's the government's job to slow the bleed. Don't know why you're having so much trouble with that concept.

I'd love to hear a couple ndp policies that you know of that haven't made a bad situation worse. I can make the opposite list for you if you like. There's actually so much I might miss some stuff.

[Hack&Lube]

I remember in the early 90s when all my friends started moving away, either to Ontario or BC because their parents had been laid off in the oilpatch here. This brings back a lot memories of that.

The shelters here seem to have more people as well, and I've never seen this many people panhandling intersections for spare change from stopped cars before in my life.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Honestly a new right-wing government would probably make it less likely for me to come back. I'm someone who unfortunately has to rely on the health care system pretty regularly and with the cuts I'm sure the WRP would bring in with them, there's no chance I'd risk moving back with them in charge. That's probably not a huge deal for the majority of the population but certainly is a deciding factor for me.

Yes right wing government is the problem. They gave them far too much money. Now Alberta has the second highest paid health care workers with some of the longest wait times in the country. Are you sure it's not ahs and its administration that should be held accountable like our last right wing government was attempting to do? Can you explain what the ndp has done to help improver he quality of care in the province?

50 cents of every tax dollar in Alberta goes to healthcare. The ndp has given an additional billion dollars.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I remember in the early 90s when all my friends started moving away, either to Ontario or BC because their parents had been laid off in the oilpatch here. This brings back a lot memories of that.

The shelters here seem to have more people as well, and I've never seen this many people panhandling intersections for spare change from stopped cars before in my life.

That's life in the resource industry. The boom brings people from all over expecting it to last forever. When the inevitable downturn happens people are not sure what to do, and end up going back to their homes.

As for the panhandlers, 8.6% unemployment will contribute to that. People need money to eat (or buy beer) and have no prospects for work at all.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Yes right wing government is the problem. They gave them far too much money. Now Alberta has the second highest paid health care workers with some of the longest wait times in the country. Are you sure it's not ahs and its administration that should be held accountable like our last right wing government was attempting to do? Can you explain what the ndp has done to help improver he quality of care in the province?

50 cents of every tax dollar in Alberta goes to healthcare. The ndp has given an additional billion dollars.

The manner in which AHS is overstaffed and possibly overfunded doesn't exist in a vacuum. You also have to consider the years of cuts handed to it by the PCs in the 90s and early 00s and then having to play catch-up when the population exploded. If someone came in and did a thorough audit of the AHS and found out where they needed to make appropriate cuts then fine, but the slash and burn approach to government services proposed by the WR during the campaign is not something that inspires a lot of confidence.

[troutman]

If this means less Canuck fans at the Dome, I say thank you Rachel.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by troutman

If this means less Canuck fans at the Dome, I say thank you Rachel.

There's less Canucks fans at Rogers too. Damn you, Rachel.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by polak

East seems like the more logical solution? Considering you can keep going further east in search of work... But I guess it's warm in BC...

Manitoba is somewhat booming for the first time in my life. If you don't mind Mosquitos and freezing your assistance of 5 months of the year then you may want to check it out.

[FlamesAddiction]

There has never been a shortage of Albertans moving to BC. Even when I lived there in the 2000s, I was always meeting newcomers from Alberta.

I think this there are probably way more transients moving to BC whose last stop was Alberta, but a lot of them probably didn't start there either.

[GGG]

The best part of the article is that these are all hardworking folks who don't stay in the shelter system long and are eager to get jobs and settle in BC.

[PaperBagger'14]

Out of all of my classmates that graduated this year who got jobs (~20%), half of them moved to BC for work.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Out of all of my classmates that graduated this year who got jobs (~20%), half of them moved to BC for work.

10% of your graduating class moved to BC? I think I did that right.