How would Monahan, Bennett, and Tkachuk rank in the same draft class?

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Bennett
One of the four players hyped as potential 1 overall. (THN had all 4 on the cover of the draft preview.)

Monahan
Potential 1st line centre. Compared to Toews.

Tkachuk
Not a center.

[AcGold]

1. Monahan
2. Bennett
3. Tkachuk

Bennett is a great player but he's reckless with a smaller frame. He will not stand up to the big western division teams over time as well as Monahan who may top out at 215-220. Sean has a Getzlaf like stature but has better offense.

I'd take the more durable slightly less dynamic workhorse over Bennett's more flashy play. Not to knock Bennett but Monahan's the #1 we needed for a decade

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

I like Tkachuk but no way he goes ahead of a big center man.

Monahan was ranked 3rd overall behind only Jones and Mackinnon in prelim rankings by McKenzie, The Next Ones and the Hockey Writers, probably many others as well. He was older and not putting up a lot of points playing on a weak team with no line mates in his draft year. After 3 years its looks like many of those rankings were the correct ones not the final consensus rankings. Fell in his draft year for the wrong reasons to flashier players that were not as over scouted.

Kids a helluva player. Can't argue with 3 years of NHL stats either, in many re-drafts in a good draft class he probably goes anywhere from #1 to #3 easily. Mackinnon had almost 2 PPG and better speed but never was the all round player Monahan was in his draft year. Played with Drouin when Monahan played with Dante Salituro on a poorer team.

We got uber lucky getting him at 6

Both Laine and Pul went ahead of big centremen. You got BPA, then determine positions. And I believe the position order is defense/centre, winger and then goalie.

Monahan's performance is irrelevant. He's playing beside one the most dynamic wingers in the game right now, who also propped up Bill Arnold and Kevin Hayes. Put Monahan along side Frolik and Colborne and I bet Monahan isn't redrafted higher than 3rd. He's not a game changer who can score or generate offense on his own will. Of Bennett, Monahan, and Tkachuk, only Bennett is the kind of player who can generate regardless of his linemates.

[DJones]

You guys are letting his NHL production cloud your memory. I was bored and looked at a bunch of mock drafts. No one had Monahan higher than 5th and more than a few had him at 8 or 9.

Lowest anyone had Bennett was 4th. Majority had him in the top 3. Not even close in my opinion and no ideahow Monahan could be ahead

[ricardodw]

Tkachuk, Bennett, Monahan


Tkachuk was a top line player on the USA u-20 WJC team... Monahan was not on the team or even the u-18 team. Bennett was on the U-18 team his draft year.

Tkachuks 40 pts in 18 playoff games and +23 would be enough to put him above Bennett.

There are 20-30 #1C in the league and maybe 5 legit power forwards.


I don't pretend to think that Tkachuk will be as good a under 23 year old player in the NHL as Monahan, but neither will Bennett.

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by DJones

You guys are letting his NHL production cloud your memory. I was bored and looked at a bunch of mock drafts. No one had Monahan higher than 5th and more than a few had him at 8 or 9.

Lowest anyone had Bennett was 4th. Majority had him in the top 3. Not even close in my opinion and no ideahow Monahan could be ahead

Monahan was ranked 3rd by many articles 9 months before the draft. If they always got it correct I guess Getzlaf wouldn't have gone 19th and Perry 28th. ISS had Getzlaf at 10 and Brown at 9. I believe Monahan fell because he was older, put up less points on a poor team and wasn't flashy.

I likely take Bennett over Monahan because he is flashier and probably more of a game breaker, both were the #1 OHL ranked prospects in their draft year immediately before the draft.

If Monahan was born 2 months earlier after putting up 78 points in his rookie WHL season he goes top 3 if not 1st overall in 2012.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

Monahan was ranked 3rd by many articles 9 months before the draft. If they always got it correct I guess Getzlaf wouldn't have gone 19th and Perry 28th. ISS had Getzlaf at 10 and Brown at 9. I believe Monahan fell because he was older, put up less points on a poor team and wasn't flashy.

I likely take Bennett over Monahan because he is flashier and probably more of a game breaker, both were the #1 OHL ranked prospects in their draft year immediately before the draft.

If Monahan was born 2 months earlier after putting up 78 points in his rookie WHL season he goes top 3 if not 1st overall in 2012.

I don't see it. I was very happy to get Monahan at #6 but it didn't feel like half the steal as Bennett at #4

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Tkachuk, Bennett, Monahan


Tkachuk was a top line player on the USA u-20 WJC team... Monahan was not on the team or even the u-18 team. Bennett was on the U-18 team his draft year...

I can see the temptation in ranking Tkachuk ahead of both Monahan and Bennett, but I would tend to fall in line with those who think that high-end scoring centres are dramatically more valuable than wingers over all. At any rate, I think all three players are very close in terms of how they rank in their draft years.

I do think you are setting too much emphasis on the int'l tournaments, which are short, and very frequently not reflective of players' abilities relative to their contemporaries for a variety of reasons. Moreover, I think the value of power forwards in today's NHL is inflated by the fact that there are not many of them. Milan Lucic is presently the prototypical example of this sort of player, and his contribution to team success in the past few seasons is legitimately an open question.

1. Bennett
2. Monahan
3. Tkachuk

I should like to reiterate that the gap between all of them is very slim.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AcGold

1. Monahan
2. Bennett
3. Tkachuk

Bennett is a great player but he's reckless with a smaller frame. He will not stand up to the big western division teams over time as well as Monahan who may top out at 215-220. Sean has a Getzlaf like stature but has better offense.

I'd take the more durable slightly less dynamic workhorse over Bennett's more flashy play. Not to knock Bennett but Monahan's the #1 we needed for a decade

This is an exaggerated concern.

[Erick Estrada]

I love Monahan and while he's a very skilled player, he's not what I would call an overly gifted player. He's very solid and has good hands around the net but the rest of his game is more good than great. I see Bennett and Tkachuk as being more gifted players with higher ultimate upside. It remains to be seen if either player reaches their potential but if we are going back to them in their draft years I don't think it's really much of a contest that Monahan would be 3rd out of the three.

[Alberta_Beef]

1. Monahan
2. Bennett
3. Tkachuk

Monahan's draft year was so very deep, looking at where he was drafted it misleading. He easily would have been in the conversation for 1st overall had he been born a year later.

[GranteedEV]

1) Bennett. There was a reason as a prospect he was considered a Toews-type talent and then some. Some thought he was the best player in his draft class. Now in 2013 he might have gone after Drouin/MacKinnon/Barkov/Jones, but he would never have gone after Elias Lindholm or been in discussion against Darnell Nurse. Probably goes 4th before Dubois or Juolevi, or even 3rd before Puljujarvi as Dubois did. I honestly still prefer him over Reinhart and Draisaitl too by a slim margin.

2) Monahan. Draft year stats were deflated playing on a weak team. Was considered a good candidate for a good, sure fire #2 centre if not a franchise centre. Probably goes after Ekblad/Reinhart/Draisaitl/Bennett, but before Dal Colle. Probably goes after Dubois, but before Juolevi.

3) Tkachuk. Winger, inflated stats playing with Marner and Juolevi and Matthews, but a strong complimentary piece. Might still have gone after Nurse and Ristolainen, but probably goes before Nichushkin. Probably goes after Ekblad/Reinhart/Draisaitl/Bennett, but before Dal Colle.

Draft order the past four drafts possibly goes something like:

McDavid
Eichel
Matthews
Laine
Ekblad
MacKinnon
Barkov
Puljujarvi
Jones
Drouin
Reinhart
Bennett
Dubois
Draisaitl
Strome
Marner
Monahan
Tkachuk
Ristolainen
Provorov
Keller
Sergachyev
Hanifin
Werenski
Juolevi
Lindholm
Dal Colle
W. Nylander
Ehlers
A. Nylander
Nichushkin
Nurse
Zacha

With guys like Larkin, Brown, Connor, Boeser, Sanheim, and Rantanen being some wild cards teams were high on before their drafts.

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1. Bennett
2. Tkachuk
3. Monahan

Bennett was in the running for #1 in his class. I think a step up on both Tkachuk and Monahan in that regard. I have Tkachuk #2, just ahead of Monahan because I think we are overvaluing Monahan slightly because of hindsight in how well he has played so early. Back in his draft year, lots wanted Lindholm and many had doubts as to his pure skill and upside.

[puckedoff]

Binnit
Monohan
Katchuk

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Originally Posted by puckedoff

Binnit
Monohan
Katchuk

Or...
Benzo
Mono
Taco

...I'll show myself out.

[Flames_F.T.W]

All three are good but Bennett seems to be more dynamic, with a game-breaking ability. I've never seen Monahan dominate a shift by himself the way Bennett has. I'd put a big C like Monahan over Tkachuk as well.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by DJones

Consensus ranking for Monahan was 7th. Bennett was a candidate for #1.

This simply isn't true. The 2013 had a consensus top 4, in some particular order, then a tier that included Monahan, Lindholm, Nurse etc. with a wildcard Nichushkin but usually preference given to the centers. Monahan rarely found his way outside of the top 6, certainly wasn't a consensus number 7.

Bennett was certainly more of a consensus number 4 than Monahan was a number 7. Bennett's draft year was also quite a bit weaker than Monahan's. Not nearly as hyped. That said, I would still put Bennett ahead of Monahan in their pre-draft rankings but Monahan has shot up a lot while Bennett hasn't.

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The poll asked for "Your" order; so I went MBT.
Had the poll asked for the order you think they'd go in this scenario, I'd have selected BMT.

[Enoch Root]

Bennett by a fair margin.

Monahan and Tkachuk would be pretty close and could go either way but I think Monahan would rank higher on most lists if for no other reason than being a big centreman.

Ricardodw: Monahan was the last cut for the WJC as a 17 year old, in a year where they had two others make it (MacKinnon and Drouin), despite the fact that 17 year olds were rarely being selected back then.

Bennett of course never got the chance.

And making the US team is a completely different kettle of fish. Every one of these guys would be a top line player on the US team.