[Signing] Flyers sign Brayden Schenn to 4 year deal ($5.125 mil AAV)

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Schenn is a RFA #1C who just signed a contract.

Monahan is a RFA #1C who hasn't yet signed a contract.

There is enough difference between them that Schenn is not an exact comparable, but they have enough in common that they are somewhat comparable.

Scheifele and Barkov are other RFA's that have just signed .... If this Thread was on their signings I would expect that there would be comments and comparisons between them and Monahan....

After all this is a Flames forum and if a thread is not relevant to the Flames in some manner it probably should not be posted.

Barkov and Monahan are more comparable because they come from the same draft year (2013). They are also both coming off their entry level deals.

Scheifele and Monahan have less in common because Scheifele was drafted in 2011 and thus their contract situation are different.

Schenn and Monahan have very little in common because Schenn was drafted in 2009 and thus their contract situations and ages are nowhere near the same.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that comparing Schenn and Monahan is far different from comparing Monahan and Barkov.

Do you not realize that players who are different ages get different contracts? Do you not realize that players who are drafted 4 years apart don't have much in common?

Seriously you are so dense sometimes.

[sempuki]

Ricardo is responsible for his fair share of crazy, but this is a relatively mild comparison. The man deserves a break once in a while.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by sempuki

Ricardo is responsible for his fair share of crazy, but this is a relatively mild comparison. The man deserves a break once in a while.

Agreed - comparing them makes sense. But you have to acknowledge their difference and concluding they should be receiving the same contract because of last year's point totals is hard to agree with.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Schenn is a RFA #1C who just signed a contract.

He played wing...

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

He played wing...

That is correct.

A further correction to ricardodw's post Last time I checked Claude Giroux is the Flyers 1C .
Schenn has never been a 1C.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Hmm Bit of a breakout season last year offensively. Interesting that he has zero goals over his last 2 trips to the playoffs (13 games).

Does he fit in between Monahan and Backlund? If so, salary appears about right.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

...what?

Can someone please explain to me why we are comparing Monahan and Schenn?

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Another thread ricardo'd

Strange Brew is actually the one who mentioned Schenn's between Monahan and Backlund. Ricardo just posted numbers both ways. But when you have a reputation, people don't bother reading and just attack the poster.

[IgiTang]

Clearly Ricardo is wrong but...

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting how some people are just outright attacked and nothing happens in terms of a suspension or such, but the second one of those who get constantly attacked retaliates... Some mods are all over them...

I'm not defending him but some of the crap thrown at him is pretty putrid.. just put him on ignore...

But wait... Then you cant trash talk him..

[Mister Yamoto]

Ricardo didn't "Ricardow'd" the thread. TheScorpion, Textcritic, doctajones428 and Flames Draft Watcher "Ricardow'd" the thread.

I used too feel bad for TheScorpion when people would pile on him because of his immature nonsense. But then I noticed him piling on posters himself so I have no use for him.

As for Flames Draft Watcher, I find it truly amusing how much Ricardow bothers him.

[TheScorpion]

I'm not piling on ricardo. He has his share of valid points, and he's not misguided in his valuations of Schenn.

I'm just wondering what Monahan has to do with anything. He's not remotely comparable to Schenn at all. He's a vastly superior player who is much younger. I hadn't mentioned ricardo at all during this thread prior to this post.

But thanks for telling us how you really feel, Mister Yamoto.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm not piling on ricardo. He has his share of valid points, and he's not misguided in his valuations of Schenn.

I'm just wondering what Monahan has to do with anything. He's not remotely comparable to Schenn at all. He's a vastly superior player who is much younger. I haven't mentioned ricardo at all during this thread prior to this post.

But thanks for telling us how you really feel, Mister Yamoto.

Schenn is turning 25, Monahn is turning 22. The difference is not that much in terms of age. Monahan is a better player but let's not get carried away. Schenn is going into his prime, few 60+ point season coming up for him. Monahan likely few 70+ point seasons.

Funny thing is that Monahan is what Schenn was supposed to become.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Schenn is turning 25, Monahn is turning 22. The difference is not that much in terms of age. Monahan is a better player but let's not get carried away. Schenn is going into his prime, few 60+ point season coming up for him. Monahan likely few 70+ point seasons.

Funny thing is that Monahan is what Schenn was supposed to become.

That's true.

I can see Monahan with maybe even a couple of 80 point seasons in his prime, playing with Johnny.

They're both good players, but they're in very different contract situations at their respective points in their careers. Schenn just got a four-year deal, while Monahan most certainly will get a six-eight year deal. Schenn got just over five million a season, while Monahan should get upwards of six.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Schenn is turning 25, Monahn is turning 22. The difference is not that much in terms of age...

I think the difference is pretty vast in this context. Three years between two players already in their prime is not a big deal. But when that difference appears between an expiring ELC who is still under 22-years-old and another player who has finished his second contract, suddenly it becomes highly significant.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Clearly Ricardo is wrong but...

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting how some people are just outright attacked and nothing happens in terms of a suspension or such, but the second one of those who get constantly attacked retaliates... Some mods are all over them...

I'm not defending him but some of the crap thrown at him is pretty putrid.. just put him on ignore...

But wait... Then you cant trash talk him..

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Ricardo didn't "Ricardow'd" the thread. TheScorpion and Flames Draft Watcher "Ricardow'd" the thread.

I used too feel bad for TheScorpion when people would pile on him because of his immature nonsense. But then I noticed him piling on posters himself so I have no use for him.

As for Flames Draft Watcher, I find it truly amusing how much Ricardow bothers him.

This is true.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This is true.

No, it is not.

The problem most posters have had in this thread is with this post in which ricardodw makes a rather unsophisticated comparison between the production from ONE season of a 21-year-old Monahan and a 24-year-old Schenn, and then hedges his bets by suggesting that—like Phaneuf—there is a looming possibility that Monahan's scoring will stagnate.

Both ideas are pretty outrageous.

[Strange Brew]

Ricardo challenged my comparison that Schenn fell in between Monahan and Backlund. He used last years point totals as his basis. I disagree with his conclusion but its not lunacy or outrageous. Let's move on, he did nothing wrong.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it is not.

The problem most posters have had in this thread is with this post in which ricardodw makes a rather unsophisticated comparison between the production from ONE season of a 21-year-old Monahan and a 24-year-old Schenn, and then hedges his bets by suggesting that—like Phaneuf—there is a looming possibility that Monahan's scoring will stagnate.

Both ideas are pretty outrageous.

Yeah but how much stupid on this board comes from random people all the time? Disagree all you want, but the dog pile and ad hominem is too much. If the man is making an effort to calm down he should be given a chance without making a new account.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, it is not.

Textcritic, youre clearly an intelligent guy. And im not being facitious or sarcastic.

I will admit, many, like yourself, have a greater knowledge about hockey in general than I.

In this instance, I agree with all that comparing Schenn to Monahan is ridiculous. As there is really nothing to compare... infact, I find it crazy that in todays NHL the "Brayden Schenn's" of the league are being paid over $5M a year..

Im guessing someone on this board, whether they know more than I or not, will disagree and be able to find some data to support an argument contrary to my view.

But this board has one main problem. Bullying in posts and pack like mentality. When someone who is disliked by the popular, and in some cases even the mods, then certain posters feel it is ok to jump all over the disliked poster.

We talk about Flames players and who the new "whipping boy" is once the previous gets traded, sent down .. etc.. But it is no different for posters.

I can only recall a few but there was Moon, everyone got all over this guy. He is clearly a hockey fan with his own opinion, he would express that opinion and the board would erupt with insults and immaturity towards him. Regardless of who was correct..Which was subjective at best anyway..

Some people who are liked by the mods get away with some pretty disgusting posts. People who call out buddies of mods or mods themselves, get threatened or suspended. (Heck i'm running the risk of getting suspended just by making this post).

Again, TC, im not calling you out, the only example I can think of that involves myself though, also involves you though.

yes, im doing it publicly. But I feel this needs to be a public discussion. For that I apologize.

TheScorpion is likely a really good kid, but initially he had some pretty outlandish comments and perspectives... The more people began to feel bad for him, the more slack he was given and now seems to be part of the group being very critical, in a inappropriate manner, or headed in that direction.. And comes across as the new authority in everything hockey.. I still am not a fan. I am no longer criticizing every post of his... Ive blocked him. Sure I still see some of his cringe worthy posts, in my opinion.. But he doesnt deserve to be ganged up on, so I removed myself from being part of that problem.

This isnt a Kumbaya post where i am trying to come across as more Zen or composed than anyone else...

I Value CP and am grateful for this board and many of its contributors. I have one sport site that I go to for proper discussion... its CP.

CP has become world renowned in my opinion. When I talk to guys on my ship and they ask me how I get my hockey info so fast.. I say "Sureloss".. J/K..

I tell them to check CP out. Its all there when its made public.. But I get a lot of people coming back to me saying .. WTF? they sure dont like that guy or why arent they even discussing what the thread topic is about or why is so and so such an "A"-hole?

I'll admit, ive been that TheScorpion.. Ive been that Textcritic, and Ive also been that moon or Ricardo.. None of them are enviable..

If its educating someone, it doesnt require being a "see you next tuesday".. If someone is being a jerk to someone else, do you need to jump on it too? Does it make you guys feel better about yourselves?

I for one have walked away from my keyboard with my day ruined by some of these conversations.. I like to think that CP is better than this..

Be the example.

[Weitz]

I don't get why the same people who rip on Ricardo in every thread can't just put him on ignore.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't get why the same people who rip on Ricardo in every thread can't just put him on ignore.

Your answer is in your question, my friend..

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Another thread ricardo'd

At this point, the posters responding to him are more guilty of derailing than he is.