Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2016 - Round 10 Run Off

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Itse

I've said it already, but we have a roster full of D-men on 1-ways, so for Wotherspoon to play requires first that someone gets injured or traded and then he needs to beat out other prospects. At which point he'd be at equal ground to grab that one spot from 2-4 other competitors.

On the other hand there's a spot open on the RW.

Also, Wotherspoon at 23 is a young defenseman, but Pribyl at 23 is entering his prime as a forward.

As for his "second rate league", IIRC Pribyls NHLe based on last season was something like 40-50 points which is NHL regular level if the rest is fine.

7...1 of which is not expected to ever play again. Seems like there is a spot open on the blueline for someone to take and i think it would be prudent to believe that whoever takes that spot has at least played pro hockey at the AHL/NHL level to some degree. That could be a couple different guys to be sure but its hardly a tall task that it would be a guy thats already played on this roster before. Particularly with a clean slate by having a new head coach.

Pribyl may or may not be good enough (and I think we should all hope he blows us away) to make the team out of training camp, but to suggest he is closer to making the team is a reach at best. Like so many before him, what looks good in the lower euro leagues rarely translates into NHL success.

The one thing i will say however is that i dont believe Treliving is done and there may very well be another veteran D man added before camp which will make the competition for a spot that much tougher.

[Vulcan]

I'd rank the leagues something like this: NHL, KHL, AHL, SHL, Liiga (Finn), NLA (Swiss), Czech Extraliga, DEL (German), ECHL, Austria, and HockeyAllsvnkan (SHL 2nd).

Prybil could be anything but yeah he's worth taking a chance on but trying to rank him at this time is like trying to figure out Trump's gut feelings.

Here's an interesting article ranking the European teams.

As seen in the table above, the top three leagues (not including the KHL) are standout performers, there is a massive drop from the Swiss to the Czech League, and more or less decimals between Czech and Austria.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...germany-norway

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I am going to pass on voting this round as neither player is worthy of a top 10 spot.

Thanks for the heads up.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by JTech780

The Czech league is closer to the ECHL than the AHL.

Yup. I can't believe Pribyl is even in discussion this early. Especially since not a single person voting for him has seen him play. People just like his size, right handedness and his "mystery box". Well Hunter Smith is big, right handed, and in all probability, carries better mystery ceiling than Pribyl

[MrMastodonFarm]

It's the tenth round, it's not that early, it's just a fun poll. Some of you need to try not being such babies.

[Strange Brew]

Hard to say what Pribyl's ceiling is without seeing him play at all. I think sometimes higher ceiling is thrown around too much when a prospect is basically unknown.

Everyone has a different weighting system, but somehow both potential and probability need to be factored when ranking a prospect.

[The Professor]

I've got a new way of thinking of these rankings. Essentially, they are in order of hoping, later, I can say "I told you so!"

Of these two, I think I'm more likely to say "I told you so" about Prybil.

[TheScorpion]

Maybe we should just stop the polls after 10, you guys. I mean, what's the point of ranking more than 10 players of a specific category?

I kid, I kid. This is a lot of fun.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't agree with those saying that Pribyl has a higher ceiling. To me, his ceiling is a top 6 winger, but he likely tops out as a mid 6 winger (which is pretty dime-a-dozen)

Wotherspoon's ceiling is easily a top 4 defenseman. And I will remind people that many on here said that Brodie's ceiling was a 5/6 Dman until he showed it was higher. Then they said a 3/4 guy until he again proved them wrong.

It is hard to imagine Wotherspoon becoming a top pairing guy. However, it is not difficult to imagine him as a top 4 guy in a few years.

I don't quite agree with this part. I seem to recall that at one point he was pretty much our only high mobility puck moving defensive prospect, at a time when that was clearly the direction the NHL was moving towards and our regular blueline had mostly guys like Regehr, Staios, Sarich and Pardy.

That said, it's clear Brodie exceeded expectations, so really by how much is a bit of a nitpick. Generally I agree with your point.

And that is far more valuable than what Pribyl is likely to bring to the team.

But now you're comparing likely impact vs. highest remotely possible impact.

Highest remotely possible impact of Pribyl is career 1st line winger. Wotherspoon most likely will be a bottom pairing / bubble defenseman.

(Plus I think calling mid-6 wingers "dime a dozen" is silly, considering how much you have to pay for good mid 6 wingers as UFA's (4M+) and how hard they are to develop. (Currently the 2 guys we have, Bouma and Ferland, are both going to need a bounceback year.)

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Thanks for the heads up.

You are welcome.

[jlh2640]

Wotherspoon

[JiriHrdina]

All the opinions at this point are largely uninformed. The purpose of these polls, at least for me, is to get a pulse check of how prospects are viewed by the fan base.
Plus it is fun to see how right/wrong we are years down the road.
This isn't a serious scouting exercise.
I'm surprised every year how much whining this fun exercise seems to generate from some.
For the record I picked Pribyl, though was voting Pollock in the original round. Wotherspoon to me is looking more and more like a tweener, so his low potential hurts his score, as I value upside when rating prospects. And yes I have not seen Pribyl pay at all so I'm talking out of my ass. My ass though is often about as right as my brain.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I am going to pass on voting this round as neither player is worthy of a top 10 spot.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Itse

Not to belittle CP, but people put a ridiculous amount of weight on comments made by CP members as opposed to professional scouting reports.

This is absolutely true, imo. I'm guilty of it myself. CP discussion "momentum" either negatively or positively towards a prospect is very powerful, and sometimes that momentum comes from little more than a couple posters liking/not liking a prospect based on never having seen them play.

That certainly doesn't mean that there isn't incredible knowledge on CP, but I'd suspect that the majority of posters are more like me in relying on smarter, more connected posters to give accurate assessments of prospects.

We just have to remember that a lot of people here are just following the discussion ups and downs on players for their commentary and aren't nessecarily going off anymore than that.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Personally I have about 5 players I would rate as better prospects than either Pribyl or Wotherspoon, and I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew that I was not happy with my voting choices. No need to get all up in arms.

[bubbsy]

my vote was klimchuk last round, but this runoff only has prybil and wotherspoon as options.

Wotherspoon has a lower ceiling but higher floor, as i see him as a safe bet bottom pairing guy.

As a complete unknown commodity, Prybil seems perhaps a slightly higher ceiling, however, much lower floor, and that's why I voted Prybil.

I'd have much rather put klimchuk, Macdonald, fox, dube, Polluck higher than prybil but...

also, not sure why one would not vote at this stage. This is for poop & giggles, i'm sure the majority of us know little of these prospects, and are going by what others have wrote of most of these guys rather than actually watching any of them.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Personally I have about 5 players I would rate as better prospects than either Pribyl or Wotherspoon, and I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew that I was not happy with my voting choices. No need to get all up in arms.

Who? I'm curious.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Who? I'm curious.

I have voted for McDonald the last two rounds.

McDonald
Parsons
Dube
Fox
Klimchuk
Wotherspoon
Tuulola
Pribyl

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I have voted for McDonald the last two rounds.

McDonald
Parsons
Dube
Fox
Klimchuk
Wotherspoon
Tuulola
Pribyl

All right, that's neat. Just wanted to know who, exactly.

Those guys are all pretty close, IMO. Really, it's all a matter of preference at this point.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I have voted for McDonald the last two rounds.

McDonald
Parsons
Dube
Fox
Klimchuk
Wotherspoon
Tuulola
Pribyl

For me, McDonald is a bit lower, but the rest of the list is great.

Parsons and Dube were good picks IMO. As was Fox. They haven't had a chance to develop yet, but they have potential.