Johnny's the most loyal guy I have negative worry. We drafted him, we believed in him, we flew him here on a private jet and started him when no one thought he was ready. The Flames made Gaudreau into what he is today he isn't going anywhere.
Johnny's the most loyal guy I have negative worry. We drafted him, we believed in him, we flew him here on a private jet and started him when no one thought he was ready. The Flames made Gaudreau into what he is today he isn't going anywhere.
Johnny's the most loyal guy I have negative worry. We drafted him, we believed in him, we flew him here on a private jet and started him when no one thought he was ready. The Flames made Gaudreau into what he is today he isn't going anywhere.
How do you know he's the most loyal guy? While he's done nothing to suggest he isn't, what makes you say that?
Also, even if he is, loyalty can be dividing. Loyal to who? His family, Boston, his home town Flyers, or the Flames?
Regardless, JH has little options at this point, but hopefully the Flames and him come to a fair long term deal that will benefit both sides for years to come.
i think its mutual respect... i think both guys seem to be good guys and if we make a fair offer, i cant imagine they would play hardball?
the market has been set by Tarasenko and Forsberg imo... so it should be in the neighbourhood of 6.5-7 for JH and probably close to that for monahan... length of term may reduce the aav per year, but that's where it should land imo
Treliving might be working on some other options to free up cap space given the Flames only have around 14.9 left and he probably wants to get all of Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Nakladal signed.
I can see another trade coming where the Flames free up some money.
That's what I think is happening anyway.
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Considering they also need to sign Tkachuk, it'll be less than that.
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I also said it would be less than that. And Tkachuk's impact on the cap won't matter unless he plays 10 or more games. I don't think that's a given.
ELC max is likely only equal to or less than the player Tkachuk would replace on the final roster, so signing him essentially makes no difference to Calgary's Cap position.
Knowing how prepared Treliving is for everything, my guess is he had two plans going into this depending on how things played out.
There's a few things that were up in the air: Next year's cap needed to be set; a goaltending tandem needed to be acquired; and the draft and free agency had to take place.
The worst case scenario would be: the cap doesn't go up; they acquire a goalie tandem with a high cap hit; they don't draft any players who might be NHL-ready; and they have to overpay for talent on July 1. If things had played out that way, they may have decided to go for cheaper bridge deals for Johnny and Monahan.
Things ended up playing out generally well: The cap went up; they acquired 2 goalies with reasonable cap hits; Tkachuk could be NHL-ready; and they didn't drastically overpay anyone on July 1. As a result, I suspect we'll see them both signed to long-term deals soon. I believe they both came to town for Stampede week last year, so that might be when everything falls into place.
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I literally have zero concern that this will get done.
I suppose I am a touch concerned the contracts will be too rich and hard to manage down the line, but a that is a tiny concern. I'm pretty confident the contract will work for both club and player, and those are the best types of contracts.
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I literally have zero concern that this will get done.
I suppose I am a touch concerned the contracts will be too rich and hard to manage down the line, but a that is a tiny concern. I'm pretty confident the contract will work for both club and player, and those are the best types of contracts.
Down the line?
If anything, from what we've seen, the "magnet that is max term" (courtesy someone from another thread recently, forget who sorry) that's stretched the general idea of long term contracts from 4 to 7-8 years, has the potential to provide some amazing value. At the back ends of these contracts, provided GMs have correctly identified productive young players with development trajectories that minimize the risks associated with "paying a a little extra today for tomorrow's potential", and end up continuing to develop and swing things back (hopefully heavily) in favour of the club.
I think with these two wizards of the sport you'd be hard pressed to even claim that BT would be paying for tomorrow's potential; they've had undeniable and incredibly rare success on their ELCs. It'll get done, and I'm sure halfway through (assuming no attempts at a fancy bridge agreement to load up for an early run) their deals their terms will be tossed around with envy in discussion by fans around the league.
Hell. We make fun the Oil for their spending sprees, but then there's Taylor Hall - you'd be hard pressed t argue his value @ 6M AAV. Of course, then there's RNH/Ebs, and they're not so smart after all.
I'll flat out say it right now.. These are not that mould of player. Well be fine.
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I'm glad the deals are taking long, because immediately after the draft and free agency start we have a lot to talk about, read and discuss. If their deals come later, it gives us more news during the dog days of summer.
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But, I will say the two sides in each case must not have been that close to start, and or there must be / have been some fairly major sticking points to over come given these deals aren't done yet.
Last thing on the checklist - Sign Monahan and Gaudreau
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I'm glad the deals are taking long, because immediately after the draft and free agency start we have a lot to talk about, read and discuss. If their deals come later, it gives us more news during the dog days of summer.
With you 100% on this.
I'm pretty sure that the true reason Johnny has offer sheet exemptiom has nothing to do with games played, # of pro seasons or any of that mumbojumbo, and everything to do with the grace and compassion of the Hockey Gods after witnessing many of us not only endure the tests that whispered the possibility Gaudreau himself would use the loophole, but stand tall with unwavering faith while panic spread through the land. So we're good there.
And really, an offer sheet just seems like too much drama for Boring Sean Monahan*.
* Likely referred to as Scoring Sean Monahan during negotiations, so bring your A Game, Brad.
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Agreed. These deals are complicated, assuming we are talking max term. It's fine for me to say 8x7, there JG is done. But Gaudreau for 8 years takes him to 30 (31 before next season starts). From the player perspective, far better to be 28 or 29 to better maximize earning potential. You may have to pay a lot more AAV to buy the full 8 years.
Maybe you get 6 years for 40M, but 8 years costs you 60. Lots of considerations for both the player and the team.
What worries me right now is they both want 7-7.5 mil over 6-7 years. If that's the case the Flames might be looking at a bridge deal similar to P.Ks. I really hope this is not the case, but it's feeling like this is more of an option than before. This is not about being worried they are going to sign or not, but I'd hate to see these two players demand to be paid higher than most in similar situations. Let's be honest, if it was that easy they'd be signed.
Not worried about this at all.
Don't think Monahan can realistically expect to get more than $6M AAV, if you look at his comparables (Forsberg, Barkov, etc)
Johnny on the other hand could conceivably ask for $7.5M (a la Tarasenko, O'Reilly)
I imagine they will both come in around these marks and the question now is just agreeing on term....I'd be thrilled with 8 years for both.
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