People in Ontario can't afford light and heat

[monkeyman]

wait, are you guys talking electricity only or all utilities? because I pay ~$50 a month for electricity in a single family detached, two story home. of course, i pay another ~50 for natural gas, $35 for water, $50 for wastewater and drainage, and another $15 for recycling and garbage. total monthly for everything is ~$200 but electricity is only $50.00. and like WhiteTiger said, more than half of that 50 is administration, transmission and distribution.

[btimbit]

My electricity last month was $29.31 ($10 of that was a "fast connection fee" or something, since I set up utilities at the last minute before moving in), but with another $46.77 in delivery charges. $79.89 total incl gst

[T@T]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

wait, are you guys talking electricity only or all utilities? because I pay ~$50 a month for electricity in a single family detached, two story home. of course, i pay another ~50 for natural gas, $35 for water, $50 for wastewater and drainage, and another $15 for recycling and garbage. total monthly for everything is ~$200 but electricity is only $50.00. and like WhiteTiger said, more than half of that 50 is administration, transmission and distribution.

Same here, last month was $198, winter goes up another 50-60.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

lol. great way to start off an article. stopped reading after that intro. what a load of hokum.

Working great in Ontario isn't it.

[Cheese]

Strange article, more to it than that. I own a four bedroom side split with about 2500ft2. My largest electricity bill has been $380 for two months or $190/month. We have electric water heater, some electric baseboards, AC, and a 22 year old who leaves all the lights on. Perhaps these homes need to add insulation, change windows and other general up keep. Or perhaps the article is bunk. The possibilities are endless.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by GaiJin

Working great in Ontario isn't it.

Ontarios problems are plenty but socialism isn't one of them. Boiling down the issue to one word, by the way, is incredibly thoughtful and a wonderful way to debate. Reminds me of a cheetoh looking American politician. Terrific. Terrific debate.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

wait, are you guys talking electricity only or all utilities? because I pay ~$50 a month for electricity in a single family detached, two story home. of course, i pay another ~50 for natural gas, $35 for water, $50 for wastewater and drainage, and another $15 for recycling and garbage. total monthly for everything is ~$200 but electricity is only $50.00. and like WhiteTiger said, more than half of that 50 is administration, transmission and distribution.

1338 sq foot house and I pay around.... 220 to 300 to Enmax all in every month from electricity to gas to garbage to water.

[dissentowner]

I am in SW Ontario and my hydro bill is well over 400.00 a month, that is turning the air on only during non peak hours, only doing laundry on non peak hours, same with dishwasher. I have one 55 inch LED tv that is rarely on. I have a friend who is a janitor and lives in a one bedroom apartment who runs no air, a ceiling fan, watches some tv on his weekends off but other than that always makes sure his lights are off and he still pays 160.00 a month in Hydro. It is beyond ridiculous and I can see how very low income families are having to choose between hydro and food.

[chemgear]

^ How many kwh if you don't mind me (us) asking?

[Swarly]

dissentowner, is that including all your utilities or do you pay gas, sewer & water, and garbage/recycling on top of that $400?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am in SW Ontario and my hydro bill is well over 400.00 a month, that is turning the air on only during non peak hours, only doing laundry on non peak hours, same with dishwasher. I have one 55 inch LED tv that is rarely on. I have a friend who is a janitor and lives in a one bedroom apartment who runs no air, a ceiling fan, watches some tv on his weekends off but other than that always makes sure his lights are off and he still pays 160.00 a month in Hydro. It is beyond ridiculous and I can see how very low income families are having to choose between hydro and food.

If your friend is paying $160 dollars for that, he either has the world's most wasteful appliances or he's getting wildly screwed over somehow.

I have a one bedroom apartment that is pretty big, with a dishwasher, in unit laundry, terrible old appliances and electric heating (which is a terrible waste of money compared to gas) and I don't ever crack $100.

EDIT: Reading that article it does seem that if you live in rural areas you do pay more for delivery which could cause the higher bills, but pretty rare you'd have an apartment unit in a rural area.

[GaiJin]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Ontarios problems are plenty but socialism isn't one of them. Boiling down the issue to one word, by the way, is incredibly thoughtful and a wonderful way to debate. Reminds me of a cheetoh looking American politician. Terrific. Terrific debate.

Then what is it? You wouldn't describe their government as socialistic? C'mon wonderpants, type away.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Swarly

dissentowner, is that including all your utilities or do you pay gas, sewer & water, and garbage/recycling on top of that $400?

That is just Hydro. I have to pay the others on top of that.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

If your friend is paying $160 dollars for that, he either has the world's most wasteful appliances or he's getting wildly screwed over somehow.

I have a one bedroom apartment that is pretty big, with a dishwasher, in unit laundry, terrible old appliances and electric heating (which is a terrible waste of money compared to gas) and I don't ever crack $100.

EDIT: Reading that article it does seem that if you live in rural areas you do pay more for delivery which could cause the higher bills, but pretty rare you'd have an apartment unit in a rural area.

It could be too that his apartment is the upstairs of an older house. That is what he is paying in the summer. In the winter he pays twice that much because he has baseboard electrical heating.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is just Hydro. I have to pay the others on top of that.

holy crap dude!

[T@T]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is just Hydro. I have to pay the others on top of that.

Jesus, any explanation for the high costs? Ontario has 60% nuclear generation which should be far cheaper than hydro and NG.

Doesn't make sense at all.

[Cheese]

Here is a website that compares costs across Provinces. Kenora Ontario comes out the highest per 1000kWh, but not significantly more than Calgary. $165 to $122mth.
This is also a 2015 comparison, however my bill has not jumped noticeably in the last year.
Manitoba and QC rates appear best.

[To Be Quite Honest]

The block I live on we have one house that pays the electric and we just use extension cords. Keeps the cost way down for everyone. In fact, I found my extension cord on the ground years ago. It was just lying there.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Here is a website that compares costs across Provinces. Kenora Ontario comes out the highest per 1000kWh, but not significantly more than Calgary. $165 to $122mth.
This is also a 2015 comparison, however my bill has not jumped noticeably in the last year.
Manitoba and QC rates appear best.

To be fair.

Location: Seoul, South Korea

Your link shows a roughly 25% difference between Alberta-Ontario in 2015, but I'm still wondering why dissentowner is 5-6x higher this year.

I may have figured it out though after reading some Trudeau threads.

Spoiler!

Hydroponics!

[Cheese]

Yes Seoul lol...kids live in the house and I pay the bills. They also get my sportscar, my wifes SUV and unlimited Internet bandwidth. No you can't move in!

Rates here in Korea are much higher... About $500/1000kWh

I still don't see where the OPs article gets its numbers. I assume that it comes from rural owners in century housing that have never made changes to their basic infrastructure.