Schadenfreude

[Dion]

Originally Posted by supermann_98
Leaf fan coming in peace.

You're team just got hosed

[CaptainCrunch]

But according to some oiler fans already, comparable to a young Nik Lidstrom.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by DJones

Larsson is a solid top 4 maybe even top 2 guy. Very little offense though.

Here's to hoping they overpay on Lucic.

I agree with that, but Hall is a really good offensive guy.

Could be addition by subtraction though.

[Caged Great]

The Oilers needed a top 3 D-man. Larsson is a top 3 D-man.

They won't really feel losing Hall due to getting Puljujarvi.

Basically they drafted an NHL defenseman and saved money in the process.

It's not a good day to make fun of the Oilers. They actually made a good trade, even though they "lost" it.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Oilers needed a top 3 D-man. Larsson is a top 3 D-man.

Yeah, I mean how hard could it be to get two more?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Yeah, I mean how hard could it be to get two more?

Klefbom is a decent #3, not a great one. So they still require one more.

They currently have

#1-Larsson
Klefbom-Sekera
Nurse-Davidson
Filler

They will move players up a spot from where they are, but it's no longer a terrible defense corp, just a slightly below average one.

That's an important development for them.

[Ben_in_Canada]

The only one I feel bad for in all this is Larrson, this may destroy his development.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Oilers needed a top 3 D-man. Larsson is a top 3 D-man.

They won't really feel losing Hall due to getting Puljujarvi.

Basically they drafted an NHL defenseman and saved money in the process.

It's not a good day to make fun of the Oilers. They actually made a good trade, even though they "lost" it.

Nah, this does not excuse the fact that was atrocious asset management.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Nah, this does not excuse the fact that was atrocious asset management.

The Oilers were dealing from an area of weakness.

They absolutely needed to make a trade for a defenseman. 29 teams knew that.

Getting Larsson is not equal value for the Oilers. However, it was the best they could do in this situation. They were going to lose the trade regardless, this one they actually got something approximating a top pairing defenseman.

Some times you need to "lose" a trade in order to improve the team. This was one of those situations.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i think everyone in hockey knew the Oilers were going to get pants in a deal for a DMan... there was zero chance that a Yak, RNH or Eberle was going to get them anywhere near a top DMan...

they were going to overpay. Everyone knew it.

is Larsson a decent DMan? Sure. Is he actually worth Hall? highly dubious assertion straight up.

is he as valuable to the Oilers as Larsson will be? we'll see, but he Oilers seem to have a way stuffing anyone decent into a black hole... Larsson may well be the same if he's expected to play big, un-sheltered minutes....

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Oilers were dealing from an area of weakness.

They absolutely needed to make a trade for a defenseman. 29 teams knew that.

Getting Larsson is not equal value for the Oilers. However, it was the best they could do in this situation. They were going to lose the trade regardless, this one they actually got something approximating a top pairing defenseman.

Some times you need to "lose" a trade in order to improve the team. This was one of those situations.

You're parroting apologist-media speak, and that doesn't make it any better.

I understand they needed a defenseman, but they gave up a top line LWer who's one of the highest scoring offensive players in the game for a #3 D.

Timing is everything. I am sure there are several other moves the Oilers could have made dating back a long time (including their #4 pick) they could have used... but didn't.

They waited, painted themselves into a corner, and gave up one of the premier offensive left wingers in the game for a #3 D.

The fact they may improve the team with other trades and or a FA acquisition doesn't change how putrid of a trade this was in isolation.

It was awful.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

So, Edmonton trades away Hall for Larsson. Montreal trades away Subban for Weber. The Leafs don't get Stamkos. Has there been a better day for Flames fans in which our team has done nothing?

Raymond got put on waivers, I'd consider that a win

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Oilers needed a top 3 D-man. Larsson is a top 3 D-man.

They won't really feel losing Hall due to getting Puljujarvi.

Basically they drafted an NHL defenseman and saved money in the process.

It's not a good day to make fun of the Oilers. They actually made a good trade, even though they "lost" it.

Wrong. The Oilers needed a #1 D-man.

They traded away a top-5 scoring winger (on the worst NHL team) for a player who MIGHT become a good #2 D-man in a couple years. He doesn't have the offensive ability to be a true number 1 defenseman. He'll never be the PP QB that they desperately need.

The Oiler's now have 0 assets to trade for a top pairing defenseman short of trading away McDavid which will never happen.

I consider today a win for Flames fans.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But according to some oiler fans already, comparable to a young Nik Lidstrom.

Of course.

We seem to be doing the same thing with Hall though.

For years we've been badmouthing the Oilers as having a terrible culture of losing, and Hall was the poster boy for that. And for being terrible/not trying at both ends. And for not having a work ethic. And for being kind of dumb about what to do on the ice.

Now he's traded and reading through some of this thread, you'd think he's the second coming of Mike Bossy.

They have to get rid of that "losing culture", especially before it rubs off on McDavid (though he doesn't seem like the type to be prone to it). Seems like they made a move to do that today.

That being said, of course I hope I'm entirely wrong and this was as disastrous as other people believe.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

For years we've been badmouthing the Oilers as having a terrible culture of losing, and Hall was the poster boy for that. And for being terrible/not trying at both ends. And for not having a work ethic. And for being kind of dumb about what to do on the ice.

Now he's traded and reading through some of this thread, you'd think he's the second coming of Mike Bossy.

Pointing out that Hall (as low-hockey IQ as he is) is one of the highest scoring top line LW'ers in the NHL -- who was just traded for a #3 d-man -- isn't exactly tooting Hall's horn.

It's rightfully pointing out that this was a very poor trade from an asset management standpoint.

[Rutuu]

Just brutal. I hate that this happened. I hate that I saw this coming for weeks.

I hate that even the line being parroted by Stauffer now, I predicted: Don't think of it as Hall for Larsson, if we get Lucic, then think of it as Hall for Lucic and Larsson.

Shero took Chiarelli to the woodshed on this. Just terrible, terrible trade.

I think we can expect the character assassination of Hall through the Edmonton media to start very soon, talking about him as not a leader, a bad influence in the dressing room, unhappy to be #2, etc. etc.

I don't care. He was the second best player on the team, and we've traded him for someone who might not be our second best DEFENCEMAN now.

I wanted the team to draft Larsson for much of 2011, but he has topped out at 26 points in a season so far. He almost never scores goals. He's never managed to crack the rotation for powerplay on New Jersey where they had NO ONE who could put up points from the blueline. And he basically slotted in to the same spot where Fayne looked really good.

There is no excuses for this trade. It becomes clear that that same old group just added a buddy to the playhouse in Oilers management. They're all incompetent.

The back story is this is from "Adam" over at the other board...I've followed him for awhile as I picture him as a 37yr old making his dreary commute to a dingy beige outdated office in the core of Edmonton. All the while he thinks to himself this is the best life can get. He paints his hockey team with the same brush. If you asked him though he's far from a homer, a world traveler and a pro-analyst despite having a day job.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Raymond got put on waivers, I'd consider that a win

Leafs, Oilers. And Canadiens get hosed and Raymond being bought out is the cherry on top. What a wonderful day.

[Vinny01]

I can't get enough HFoil right now it is so good

[dying4acup]

Is it fair to compare Hall to Kessell, but on a better contract?

Because even though the leafs retained 1M on an 8M/yr contract, the leafs got a huge return.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

So, Edmonton trades away Hall for Larsson. Montreal trades away Subban for Weber. The Leafs don't get Stamkos. Has there been a better day for Flames fans in which our team has done nothing?

August 9, 1988.