Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

View Poll Results: What parameter would you rate higher?
Skill 144 67.92%
Acquisition Cost 61 28.77%
Cap Hit 7 3.30%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-17-2016, 09:05 AM   #21
Coach
Franchise Player
 
Coach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

I'd say acquisition cost. I don't want to be spending butt loads of assets or cap space/term. This is mostly because I think Gillies is going to end up as our guy, and I don't want to be in a Vancouver situation.
__________________
Coach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:05 AM   #22
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo View Post
I still like the acquire Reimer for a 5th backup plan.

Get him in and talk to him. Would really give them a fall back and potentially make trade partners lower their demands for other stoppers.

That's a good plan, and I have no problem with entering the season with Reimer as a starter.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:07 AM   #23
Bingo
Owner
 
Bingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

and he has nowhere else to go.

Toronto has Bernier and it's unlikely he goes back there. No other openings to be a the main guy.

I think you could get him at 2 years 8M total (4AAV)

use a 2nd on a winger, and the others to stock the cupboards.
Bingo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:13 AM   #24
dissentowner
Franchise Player
 
dissentowner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

I chose skill but really it is a combo of all three. My only concern with waiting on Reimer is we don't know his mindset after the Toronto experience. Maybe he is quite fine with playing backup on a good team.
dissentowner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:17 AM   #25
DeluxeMoustache
 
DeluxeMoustache's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner View Post
I chose skill but really it is a combo of all three. My only concern with waiting on Reimer is we don't know his mindset after the Toronto experience. Maybe he is quite fine with playing backup on a good team.
So you mean playing backup on another team? As of the last game played by the Flames, clearly you are not talking about Calgary.
DeluxeMoustache is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:19 AM   #26
FBI
Franchise Player
 
FBI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
Exp:
Default

Let's not start abandoning polls before we get the best polls of the summer going with the prospect polls.

Thought this was a great article and we'll have to use Bingo math on whoever we get as a goalie to see what was the most important parameter for Tre.
__________________
FBI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:24 AM   #27
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root View Post
7th to talk to him and 5th if we sign him

Then convince him that a one year, show-me deal is in his best interest!
Is that really necessary though given the market and the fact that Burke already has a relationship with him? I suppose if the feeling is at the draft that a trade is not going to happen then that ensures the team a chance to not be left empty handed.

On the subject of polls I quite like them as long as they are in regards to current news and events. Not big on ranking all time players or anything like that as it's just recycled arguments on the same players over and over.

Last edited by Erick Estrada; 06-17-2016 at 09:28 AM.
Erick Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:28 AM   #28
Bingo
Owner
 
Bingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada View Post
Is that really necessary though given the market and the fact that Burke already has a relationship with him? I suppose if the feeling is at the draft that a trade is not going to happen then that ensures the team a chance to not be left empty handed.
As I said in the piece ... I think you win both ways.

1) You like him and his salary expectations and just get the deal done prior to the draft and use the picks for a winger and prospects

2) You remove the need to acquire a goaltender in the eyes of any teams you are talking to about their options ... potentially reduces the cost.

If you just wait until July 1st the draft is behind you and some options may be gone and then you don't get Reimer.
Bingo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Bingo For This Useful Post:
Old 06-17-2016, 09:31 AM   #29
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo View Post
As I said in the piece ... I think you win both ways.

1) You like him and his salary expectations and just get the deal done prior to the draft and use the picks for a winger and prospects

2) You remove the need to acquire a goaltender in the eyes of any teams you are talking to about their options ... potentially reduces the cost.

If you just wait until July 1st the draft is behind you and some options may be gone and then you don't get Reimer.
I agree the team will likely not take any risks of being empty handed and I imagine we will know exactly what direction the team is going by the end of next week's draft as it's likely going to be a trade for a goaltender or a trade for a goaltender's rights. Should have a lot of closure on most of the teams biggest holes by the end of the month.
Erick Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:39 AM   #30
Badgers Nose
Franchise Player
 
Badgers Nose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Exp:
Default

If Reimer is our #2 I'd feel pretty confident of Flames being in the playoffs and winning a round.

That would mean we would have a heck of a starter (becaus ethey would have to be btter than Reimer, who is himslef better than avg) and a very solid backup.
Badgers Nose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:46 AM   #31
calculoso
Franchise Player
 
calculoso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
Exp:
Default

I think skill is the most important.

Acquisition cost of 0 and low cap hit resulted last year with Ortio, Hiller, Ramo. So far this year, it's resulted in the Rittich. Flames could easily get another backup for a very minimal acquisition cost and low cap hit, but then they'd be no further ahead.

Obviously the Acquisition cost and Cap hit still matter, but skill should be paramount.
calculoso is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to calculoso For This Useful Post:
Old 06-17-2016, 09:56 AM   #32
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgers Nose View Post
If Reimer is our #2 I'd feel pretty confident of Flames being in the playoffs and winning a round.

That would mean we would have a heck of a starter (becaus ethey would have to be btter than Reimer, who is himslef better than avg) and a very solid backup.
The 2013 Toronto Maple Leafs made the playoffs on the backs of a duo of Reimer and Bernier (albeit in a lockout shortened season). The Flames were saddled with historically bad goaltending last year. I think they could make the playoffs with Reimer as their #1 goalie.
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 09:56 AM   #33
Roof-Daddy
Franchise Player
 
Roof-Daddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

1. Take all the goalies that are available, make a list (we won't know this, but BT should)
2. Take that list of goalies and rank them by skill (subjective, trust your pro scouts)
3. Now take the list of available goalies and rank them by acquisition cost (lowest to highest)
4. Acquire the goalie closest to the top of both lists

Other things to consider are age and contract status (length and cap number). So if you have two goalies that are neck and neck on both lists, you go with the younger guy, if they are also close in age then you choose the guy with the better contract status.
Roof-Daddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 10:06 AM   #34
Stay Golden
Franchise Player
 
Stay Golden's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
Exp:
Default

Skill and talent far and away. If a Goalie is a siv but cheap. Pass. If he is meh but expensive pass unless some team is more focused on getting over the cap min. If a Goalie is skilled and expensive he is worth the money. If he is skilled and cheap even better, but that would be a diamond in the rough like ex Hitman Jones at 3m.
__________________
Stay Golden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 10:16 AM   #35
Finger Cookin
Franchise Player
 
Finger Cookin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Exp:
Default

I look at this like a "Pick 2 out of the 3" scenario. And in that scenario, I think you have to pick skill and cap hit as your variables.

The need to upgrade skill in the position is clear - but only for the medium term in my view, as that allows us to develop and see what we have with Gilles and Ortio. The team will also be in a bit tight this season with the Monahan and Gaudreau extensions forthcoming. Which I think would make a goalie with a $5M+, 4 season+ contract in place the threshold that would start to make me uncomfortable. I'd like a goalie with max 3 years left, and ideally earning less than $4M, to fill the gap.

Of course, if some young stud goalie falls into your lap in a trade scenario where Treliving believes the team comes out ahead, he should think about it long and hard.
Finger Cookin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 10:19 AM   #36
Bingo
Owner
 
Bingo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy View Post
1. Take all the goalies that are available, make a list (we won't know this, but BT should)
2. Take that list of goalies and rank them by skill (subjective, trust your pro scouts)
3. Now take the list of available goalies and rank them by acquisition cost (lowest to highest)
4. Acquire the goalie closest to the top of both lists

Other things to consider are age and contract status (length and cap number). So if you have two goalies that are neck and neck on both lists, you go with the younger guy, if they are also close in age then you choose the guy with the better contract status.
I'm guessing you didn't read the article?
Bingo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Bingo For This Useful Post:
Old 06-17-2016, 10:24 AM   #37
Roof-Daddy
Franchise Player
 
Roof-Daddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo View Post
I'm guessing you didn't read the article?
Not yet Bingo, just going through my own "process" in my head before answering the poll question. It's open in a tab on my browser though so I don't remember to read it when I get a chance. Why? Is my post in line with your article?
Roof-Daddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 10:41 AM   #38
dammage79
Franchise Player
 
dammage79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

NM Wrong thread.
dammage79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 11:01 AM   #39
Clever_Iggy
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
Exp:
Default

I voted skill and would rank: (1) skill, (2) cap hit and (3) acquisition cost. You need a top 10-15 goalie to consistently be competitive. If the flames can get a top tier goalie the acquisition cost means far far less. Acquisition cost, while important, becomes much more tolerable if you land a Dougie Hamilton-esque equivalent goalie.

As for Gillies, I don't think his potential should weigh into who the flames acquire. He may be a star in the league and develop into one in the next 2+ years, but if the flames can acquire a short and long term solution now, AND Gillies develops, the Flames are in an enviable position (akin to Luongo and Schneider, but handled better).

Personally, I would rather pay for an Anderson, Vasilevsky, Fleury (Murray - if the Pens approach Fleury/Murray like the Habs did with Price/Halak), Elliott/Allen, Mrazek than explore Reimer (at any value above backup money) with the hope that Gillies becomes the long term solution.
Clever_Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2016, 11:54 AM   #40
dammage79
Franchise Player
 
dammage79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

My dream goalie acquisition: Joonas Korpisalo.

Realisitic goalie acquisition: Fleury, Halak or Reimer.

I just cannot work out in my head how guys like Bishop, Vasilevsky, Andersen or Mrazek end up in a Flames jersey without making a very painful sacrifice.
dammage79 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dammage79 For This Useful Post:
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:49 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy