View Poll Results: What parameter would you rate higher?
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Skill
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67.92% |
Acquisition Cost
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28.77% |
Cap Hit
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3.30% |
06-17-2016, 09:05 AM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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I'd say acquisition cost. I don't want to be spending butt loads of assets or cap space/term. This is mostly because I think Gillies is going to end up as our guy, and I don't want to be in a Vancouver situation.
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06-17-2016, 09:05 AM
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#22
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Bingo
I still like the acquire Reimer for a 5th backup plan.
Get him in and talk to him. Would really give them a fall back and potentially make trade partners lower their demands for other stoppers.
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That's a good plan, and I have no problem with entering the season with Reimer as a starter.
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06-17-2016, 09:07 AM
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#23
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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and he has nowhere else to go.
Toronto has Bernier and it's unlikely he goes back there. No other openings to be a the main guy.
I think you could get him at 2 years 8M total (4AAV)
use a 2nd on a winger, and the others to stock the cupboards.
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06-17-2016, 09:13 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I chose skill but really it is a combo of all three. My only concern with waiting on Reimer is we don't know his mindset after the Toronto experience. Maybe he is quite fine with playing backup on a good team.
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06-17-2016, 09:17 AM
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#25
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I chose skill but really it is a combo of all three. My only concern with waiting on Reimer is we don't know his mindset after the Toronto experience. Maybe he is quite fine with playing backup on a good team.
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So you mean playing backup on another team? As of the last game played by the Flames, clearly you are not talking about Calgary.
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06-17-2016, 09:19 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Let's not start abandoning polls before we get the best polls of the summer going with the prospect polls.
Thought this was a great article and we'll have to use Bingo math on whoever we get as a goalie to see what was the most important parameter for Tre.
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06-17-2016, 09:24 AM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
7th to talk to him and 5th if we sign him
Then convince him that a one year, show-me deal is in his best interest!
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Is that really necessary though given the market and the fact that Burke already has a relationship with him? I suppose if the feeling is at the draft that a trade is not going to happen then that ensures the team a chance to not be left empty handed.
On the subject of polls I quite like them as long as they are in regards to current news and events. Not big on ranking all time players or anything like that as it's just recycled arguments on the same players over and over.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 06-17-2016 at 09:28 AM.
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06-17-2016, 09:28 AM
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#28
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Is that really necessary though given the market and the fact that Burke already has a relationship with him? I suppose if the feeling is at the draft that a trade is not going to happen then that ensures the team a chance to not be left empty handed.
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As I said in the piece ... I think you win both ways.
1) You like him and his salary expectations and just get the deal done prior to the draft and use the picks for a winger and prospects
2) You remove the need to acquire a goaltender in the eyes of any teams you are talking to about their options ... potentially reduces the cost.
If you just wait until July 1st the draft is behind you and some options may be gone and then you don't get Reimer.
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06-17-2016, 09:31 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
As I said in the piece ... I think you win both ways.
1) You like him and his salary expectations and just get the deal done prior to the draft and use the picks for a winger and prospects
2) You remove the need to acquire a goaltender in the eyes of any teams you are talking to about their options ... potentially reduces the cost.
If you just wait until July 1st the draft is behind you and some options may be gone and then you don't get Reimer.
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I agree the team will likely not take any risks of being empty handed and I imagine we will know exactly what direction the team is going by the end of next week's draft as it's likely going to be a trade for a goaltender or a trade for a goaltender's rights. Should have a lot of closure on most of the teams biggest holes by the end of the month.
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06-17-2016, 09:39 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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If Reimer is our #2 I'd feel pretty confident of Flames being in the playoffs and winning a round.
That would mean we would have a heck of a starter (becaus ethey would have to be btter than Reimer, who is himslef better than avg) and a very solid backup.
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06-17-2016, 09:46 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Ontario
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I think skill is the most important.
Acquisition cost of 0 and low cap hit resulted last year with Ortio, Hiller, Ramo. So far this year, it's resulted in the Rittich. Flames could easily get another backup for a very minimal acquisition cost and low cap hit, but then they'd be no further ahead.
Obviously the Acquisition cost and Cap hit still matter, but skill should be paramount.
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06-17-2016, 09:56 AM
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#32
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
If Reimer is our #2 I'd feel pretty confident of Flames being in the playoffs and winning a round.
That would mean we would have a heck of a starter (becaus ethey would have to be btter than Reimer, who is himslef better than avg) and a very solid backup.
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The 2013 Toronto Maple Leafs made the playoffs on the backs of a duo of Reimer and Bernier (albeit in a lockout shortened season). The Flames were saddled with historically bad goaltending last year. I think they could make the playoffs with Reimer as their #1 goalie.
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06-17-2016, 09:56 AM
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#33
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1. Take all the goalies that are available, make a list (we won't know this, but BT should)
2. Take that list of goalies and rank them by skill (subjective, trust your pro scouts)
3. Now take the list of available goalies and rank them by acquisition cost (lowest to highest)
4. Acquire the goalie closest to the top of both lists
Other things to consider are age and contract status (length and cap number). So if you have two goalies that are neck and neck on both lists, you go with the younger guy, if they are also close in age then you choose the guy with the better contract status.
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06-17-2016, 10:06 AM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Skill and talent far and away. If a Goalie is a siv but cheap. Pass. If he is meh but expensive pass unless some team is more focused on getting over the cap min. If a Goalie is skilled and expensive he is worth the money. If he is skilled and cheap even better, but that would be a diamond in the rough like ex Hitman Jones at 3m.
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06-17-2016, 10:16 AM
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#35
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I look at this like a "Pick 2 out of the 3" scenario. And in that scenario, I think you have to pick skill and cap hit as your variables.
The need to upgrade skill in the position is clear - but only for the medium term in my view, as that allows us to develop and see what we have with Gilles and Ortio. The team will also be in a bit tight this season with the Monahan and Gaudreau extensions forthcoming. Which I think would make a goalie with a $5M+, 4 season+ contract in place the threshold that would start to make me uncomfortable. I'd like a goalie with max 3 years left, and ideally earning less than $4M, to fill the gap.
Of course, if some young stud goalie falls into your lap in a trade scenario where Treliving believes the team comes out ahead, he should think about it long and hard.
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06-17-2016, 10:19 AM
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#36
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
1. Take all the goalies that are available, make a list (we won't know this, but BT should)
2. Take that list of goalies and rank them by skill (subjective, trust your pro scouts)
3. Now take the list of available goalies and rank them by acquisition cost (lowest to highest)
4. Acquire the goalie closest to the top of both lists
Other things to consider are age and contract status (length and cap number). So if you have two goalies that are neck and neck on both lists, you go with the younger guy, if they are also close in age then you choose the guy with the better contract status.
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I'm guessing you didn't read the article?
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06-17-2016, 10:24 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm guessing you didn't read the article? 
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Not yet Bingo, just going through my own "process" in my head before answering the poll question. It's open in a tab on my browser though so I don't remember to read it when I get a chance. Why? Is my post in line with your article?
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06-17-2016, 10:41 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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NM Wrong thread.
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06-17-2016, 11:01 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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I voted skill and would rank: (1) skill, (2) cap hit and (3) acquisition cost. You need a top 10-15 goalie to consistently be competitive. If the flames can get a top tier goalie the acquisition cost means far far less. Acquisition cost, while important, becomes much more tolerable if you land a Dougie Hamilton-esque equivalent goalie.
As for Gillies, I don't think his potential should weigh into who the flames acquire. He may be a star in the league and develop into one in the next 2+ years, but if the flames can acquire a short and long term solution now, AND Gillies develops, the Flames are in an enviable position (akin to Luongo and Schneider, but handled better).
Personally, I would rather pay for an Anderson, Vasilevsky, Fleury (Murray - if the Pens approach Fleury/Murray like the Habs did with Price/Halak), Elliott/Allen, Mrazek than explore Reimer (at any value above backup money) with the hope that Gillies becomes the long term solution.
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06-17-2016, 11:54 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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My dream goalie acquisition: Joonas Korpisalo.
Realisitic goalie acquisition: Fleury, Halak or Reimer.
I just cannot work out in my head how guys like Bishop, Vasilevsky, Andersen or Mrazek end up in a Flames jersey without making a very painful sacrifice.
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