STH Info Sessions (May 24, May 25, June 15)

[dammage79]

Really like the Kylington and Anderssen comments.

Kind of surprised Juolevi is the #6 guy over Nylander or Sergachev. I like him but seems redundant given the Flames have 3-5 similar D men throughout the organization.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, IMO it's like many were saying at last years draft...it felt like the Flames completely altered the long term future of their D-core for the positive in the course of two days.

Adding Hamilton and then drafting Anderssen and Kylington.

[Vinny01]

So here are the Flames ledges then
1. Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi
2. Tkachuk/Dubois/Jolevi
3. Nylander/Brown

I was in the Nylander over a Dman camp but trust of the Flames feel a Dman is ranked better then take him. Easier to trade a good D for a forward than vice versa

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Doug_Dadswell

A few quick points from Burke during the session:
- Believes that Tkachuk, Dubois and Joelevi are the second ledge of 4-6
- Was relieved they didn't fall out of the top six as they are confident in the top 6
- Saw Nylander recently and believes he will be better than his older brother
- Likes the big kid Brown, but he doesn't play a black and blue type of hockey
- Thinks that Brown and Nylander will be in the gap for the Flames and therefore not relevant
- Deflected a question about the other ledges in the draft and instead praised Treliving's ability to package draft picks (as he did for Hamilton)
- Thinks that Kyllington is a phenomenal skater and will play in the NHL in the not-too-distant future
- Ironed out some attitude and preparation issues with Andersson this year and he also believes that he will play in the NHL in the not-too-distant future
- Figures 4-5 Flames will participate in the WHC.

Well...is he aware that its over? Or is he planning for next year already?

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...is he aware that its over? Or is he planning for next year already?

I assumed that was a comment about the World Cup of Hockey not the World Hockey Championships

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Burke was also pretty clear that they won't draft by positional need. Really hard to say whether this 4-6 was a smokescreen or not. He was very open that there was a ledge at 4-6 and named those guys by name.

On the dismissal of Hartley, he was very clear that Bob and management were not on the same page. He listed 4 issues: Style (black and blue), systems (breakout), in game adjustments and specialty teams.

My take from that was that Hartley and BT were not getting along overly well. Burke would "not throw dirt on Bob", but it sure seemed to me that this was brewing for a long time.

Burkie had a couple of classic lines as well:

On why he wears an untied tie, why not just go without? "You must have me confused with someone who cares about your opinion".

On Rasmus Andersson: "Behind his back we call him Shrek...because he is kinda ugly".

Also, quite a bit of time spent on CalgaryNext. More than I cared to hear, frankly. COO John Bean indicated that while the headlines were all negative, he felt "buoyed" by the counsel meeting and is looking forward to presenting to counsel, some time around the end of June. Explained the difference between the $890 million and $1.8 billion price tags, which came to: allocating all of the creosote cost to CalgaryNext (although something like 11% of the land is stadium/arena), allocating all of the CRT borrowing costs to CalgaryNext, without a proper net present value numbers and one other factor, the details escape me right now.

[Southside]

Wait. Someone asked Burke about his tie? Some people should just stay at home. WHO CARES?

[SuperMatt18]

Juolevi was one of the guys I didn't really want - do wonder if there is some gamesmanship here.

Rumored that the Oilers also like Juolevi - plant the seed that if the Oilers trade back after 6, and if Tkachuk and Dubois are already gone then the Oilers are not going to get the guy they want.

The comment on needing to fix the breakout is also promising, if I had to watch another 82 games of nothing but stretch passes I would have lost it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I don't believe Burke for a second when he's talking about those ledges after the top 3. He's not a dummy, he knows that info will get out. I'm sure he'll drop those names a few more times in the coming weeks. Maybe they're sold on Jost or Keller and would drop a couple spots? Who knows.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Southside

Wait. Someone asked Burke about his tie? Some people should just stay at home. WHO CARES?

It was a joke, and Burke treated as such.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

One other thing I thought interesting. Paraphrasing, but Burke mentioned the "3 headed monster" issue. He didn't see it as a major problem, as it was a situation meant to protect Ortio from waivers. He believes it was necessary, as a few goalies were in fact claimed earlier in the season. Unfortunately, none of them played well early, eventually Ramo got hurt and they ended up playing Ortio more than they wanted. Now, this doesn't really explain why they signed Ramo, but my sense is that either Hartley or BT or both, didn't trust Hiller, and it seems to me management didn't trust Ortio.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don't believe Burke for a second when he's talking about those ledges after the top 3. He's not a dummy, he knows that info will get out. I'm sure he'll drop those names a few more times in the coming weeks. Maybe they're sold on Jost or Keller and would drop a couple spots? Who knows.

With ledge one established I do think they see getting this out as a way to mess with teams around them.

Say the Oilers want to deal the 4th pick for the 7th to take Juolevi. Now they wonder

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So here are the Flames ledges then
1. Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi
2. Tkachuk/Dubois/Jolevi
3. Nylander/Brown

I was in the Nylander over a Dman camp but trust of the Flames feel a Dman is ranked better then take him. Easier to trade a good D for a forward than vice versa

He was specifically asked about Nylander and Brown so I wouldn't take Burke's comments as evidence they were on the next "ledge".

[Roof-Daddy]

I wouldn't believe a single word about the draft that comes out of any NHL execs mouth right now.

[Toonage]

I don't know whats funnier. That NHL execs play these games or that other NHL execs fall for them.

[The Yen Man]

Yah, that Juolevi comment seems more in line with making the Oilers sweat. They could trade with Arizona and get 7th, but then if Juolevi's the one they want, then the Flames are going to snag him before 7. Trade Flames for their 6th, and Oilers make sure to get their guy.

I actually don't mind Juolevi at 6th, so either way, I'll be ok.

[dammage79]

Could be a small tell from Burke too when he said that they think Alex Nylander will be better than his brother. There's more than just Leaf fans that think that William is going to be a really really good player.

There's a lot of info from today that really leaves fans in the same place information wise. Scratching our heads trying to figure out what the Flames brass is really thinking.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by dammage79

There's a lot of info from today that really leaves fans in the same place information wise. Scrathing our heads trying to figure out what the Flames brass is really thinking.

That seems to be the current brass's modus operandi

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

That seems to be the current brass's modus operandi

I like it honestly.

[GranteedEV]

At least we can assume Juolevi is above Chychrun/Sergachyev among the Dmen group.