And we have a winner...

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally posted by JayP@Sep 3 2005, 10:14 AM
Also, if you think the enforcer system is that unrealistic I'd recommend re-watching the Detroit series. The pounding Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Hull, and others took really didn't affect their performance at all.

Was that just because Oliwa was on the ice? Or was it because the Flames as a team clobbered the Red Wings?

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by SoulOfTheFlame+Sep 3 2005, 06:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SoulOfTheFlame @ Sep 3 2005, 06:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JayP@Sep 3 2005, 10:14 AM
Also, if you think the enforcer system is that unrealistic I'd recommend re-watching the Detroit series. The pounding Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Hull, and others took really didn't affect their performance at all.

Was that just because Oliwa was on the ice? Or was it because the Flames as a team clobbered the Red Wings? [/b][/quote]
It doesn't really matter since you can turn the setting off though, does it? I'd call that a feature rather than a drawback...

I'll certainly be looking forward to 2k6. I like to watch and play hockey, and 2k6 is the closest I can get to simulating that. If I wanted arcade hockey, I'd get Hitz...

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by MarchHare@Sep 3 2005, 11:11 AM

You are aware that EA locked up the NFL license so no other company can make an NFL football game, right? They're also trying to do it with other leagues.

Then there's the matter of how they treat their employees.

I'll make a judgement on my own thanks....

1) The NFL was looking for an exclusive license, EA had the money and aquired it... what the hell was EA supposed to do? Let that slip as a sign of good faith?? Puhleaze

2) Going to EAX in Vancouver, talking to some pretty damn important people in the company aswell as the peon young programmers it was an atmosphere of positivity. the offices were amazingly comfortable, they have a patio with a firepit overlooking Vancouver harbour. Great catered lunches every day.

Man it must be tough...

I think it'd be stupid for any hockey fan not to get 2k6, even if it's not as good as 2k5... the price is right and it looks like it has some interesting new features. But I'm very satisfied with EA's product this year, 2005 not so much...

[Patek23]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Sep 3 2005, 11:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Sep 3 2005, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Was that just because Oliwa was on the ice? Or was it because the Flames as a team clobbered the Red Wings?

It doesn't really matter since you can turn the setting off though, does it? I'd call that a feature rather than a drawback...

I'll certainly be looking forward to 2k6. I like to watch and play hockey, and 2k6 is the closest I can get to simulating that. If I wanted arcade hockey, I'd get Hitz... [/b][/quote]
boo frickety hoo, go tell that sob story to my grandfather and father who worked in the mines in BC when they arrived in Canada, working 16 hours EVERYDAY for 2 years.

Wrong quote, that message was for the one linking to some story about how they felt over worked at EA.

[MarchHare]

boo frickety hoo, go tell that sob story to my grandfather and father who worked in the mines in BC when they arrived in Canada, working 16 hours EVERYDAY for 2 years.

Yes, and labour laws have since been changed so that employees aren't allowed to do that to their employees anymore.

There's very few positive things I have to say about unions, but fighting for the 40 hour week is one good thing they did.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Sep 3 2005, 11:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Sep 3 2005, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Was that just because Oliwa was on the ice? Or was it because the Flames as a team clobbered the Red Wings?

It doesn't really matter since you can turn the setting off though, does it? I'd call that a feature rather than a drawback...

I'll certainly be looking forward to 2k6. I like to watch and play hockey, and 2k6 is the closest I can get to simulating that. If I wanted arcade hockey, I'd get Hitz... [/b][/quote]
Enjoy your simulating then. I'll be playing a >game< instead.

[JayP]

Originally posted by SoulOfTheFlame+Sep 3 2005, 12:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SoulOfTheFlame @ Sep 3 2005, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

It doesn't really matter since you can turn the setting off though, does it? I'd call that a feature rather than a drawback...

I'll certainly be looking forward to 2k6. I like to watch and play hockey, and 2k6 is the closest I can get to simulating that. If I wanted arcade hockey, I'd get Hitz...

Enjoy your simulating then. I'll be playing a >game< instead. [/b][/quote]
And what's wrong with a game being realistic? Personally, I'd rather have 3-2 games like in the real NHL than 7-5 scorefests with EA.

[JayP]

Originally posted by SoulOfTheFlame+Sep 3 2005, 11:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SoulOfTheFlame @ Sep 3 2005, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JayP@Sep 3 2005, 10:14 AM
Also, if you think the enforcer system is that unrealistic I'd recommend re-watching the Detroit series. The pounding Datsyuk, Zetterburg, Hull, and others took really didn't affect their performance at all.

Was that just because Oliwa was on the ice? Or was it because the Flames as a team clobbered the Red Wings? [/b][/quote]
A little of both. Guys like Jovo are classified as enforcers so it only makes sense like Regehr would be an enforcer and he definitely was a major reason for the ineffectiveness of the Red Wings' star players.

Even if it's not perfect it's still better than EA. At least in 2k6 there will be a legimate reason to dress and play less-skilled, more physical players. In basically every hockey game to date having a 5'6" 170 lb 95 speed with no checking was one of the most effective players on the ice. Plus, if you really hate it that much you can always turn it off.

[steveo]

Is there a way to update rosters for NHL2k6? cause I am getting that game.

I know with EASports you can D/L roster updates on the site, but what about the Kush game?

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by steveo@Sep 3 2005, 05:36 PM
Is there a way to update rosters for NHL2k6? cause I am getting that game.

I know with EASports you can D/L roster updates on the site, but what about the Kush game?

Roster updates can be downloaded if you have Xbox Live...I don't think there's a way for PS2 owners to update their rosters, though.

[steveo]

Originally posted by MarchHare+Sep 3 2005, 05:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ Sep 3 2005, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-steveo@Sep 3 2005, 05:36 PM
Is there a way to update rosters for NHL2k6? cause I am getting that game.

I know with EASports you can D/L roster updates on the site, but what about the Kush game?

Roster updates can be downloaded if you have Xbox Live...I don't think there's a way for PS2 owners to update their rosters, though. [/b][/quote]
dang, thanks anyways. I have a PS2.

[MarchHare]

I may be wrong about that, though. I'd look into it before you make a decision on which game to buy.

[InTheSlot]

Originally posted by Jiggy_12+Sep 2 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jiggy_12 @ Sep 2 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AnthonyCook@Sep 2 2005, 08:35 PM

EA seems to only care about making the game look good. I honestly feel as if its simply a game for the casual fan who wants to score some pretty goals.

Im not sure about that. I would consider myself more than a casual fan and I enjoy EA far more than espn. I found the '05 version to actually be very difficult to score (with the sliders in a certain way) with the difficulty on medium or difficult. And I hardly ever score fancy goals, usually its a crash and banger or a tip-in.

I plan to buy '06, I thought '05 was a tun of fun. [/b][/quote]
Ditto. I know tons of people who hated '05, but to me I thought it was a good game. I loved the addition of the 2-button shooting system, where one button is slapshot and one is wristshot, and I am glad they kept that for '06 as well.


I'm even happier this year because EA's 06 seems to be an improvement in gameplay and realism, that is, scoring, hitting, puck flow, cpu AI both offense and defense, etc.


I was real glad they implemented the new deke-stick thing, where you have 4 options of moves to choose from. Some say it's bad or unrealistic, but what I have noticed is that there are only select players who can perform such dekes. If you try to pull it with someone like Krystoph Oliwa, he'll lose the puck and won't be able to pull it off -- I think that's wondeful, cuz it's absolutely true. You don't see Oliwa doing spins or between the legs shots.


Lastly, I have not yet found a way to do the flick-up and bat-in move. For me with the deke stick, I have 4 choices and it does not include the bat-in. My options are: 1- Spin 2- Between the legs shot 3- Toe-drag and 4- kick the puck to your stick and shoot. Regardless, I do think the flick-up and bat-in is somewhat unrealistic, but that won't hinder me from buying the game. So far in about 10 games with the demo I haven't seen the CPU do it once, nor have I been able to do it myself.

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Me either... I've probabley played about 20-25 games on the demo.. nothing unrealistic. The skill stick is there but I never use it, the computer hasn't executed any crazy superstar moves either. It's a bit arcade due to the easy setting and sliders, but the game still feels and plays great. It's the kind of FUN hockey I haven't played since NHL 94' and maybe some of the early 2000 games... 2K is a good franchise.. But I never enjoyed those games as much as some of the classic EA games..

btw... Fyi, I'm not a Fataing casual fan.

[JayP]

Originally posted by InTheSlot+Sep 3 2005, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (InTheSlot @ Sep 3 2005, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Im not sure about that. I would consider myself more than a casual fan and I enjoy EA far more than espn. I found the '05 version to actually be very difficult to score (with the sliders in a certain way) with the difficulty on medium or difficult. And I hardly ever score fancy goals, usually its a crash and banger or a tip-in.

I plan to buy '06, I thought '05 was a tun of fun.

Ditto. I know tons of people who hated '05, but to me I thought it was a good game. I loved the addition of the 2-button shooting system, where one button is slapshot and one is wristshot, and I am glad they kept that for '06 as well.


I'm even happier this year because EA's 06 seems to be an improvement in gameplay and realism, that is, scoring, hitting, puck flow, cpu AI both offense and defense, etc.


I was real glad they implemented the new deke-stick thing, where you have 4 options of moves to choose from. Some say it's bad or unrealistic, but what I have noticed is that there are only select players who can perform such dekes. If you try to pull it with someone like Krystoph Oliwa, he'll lose the puck and won't be able to pull it off -- I think that's wondeful, cuz it's absolutely true. You don't see Oliwa doing spins or between the legs shots.


Lastly, I have not yet found a way to do the flick-up and bat-in move. For me with the deke stick, I have 4 choices and it does not include the bat-in. My options are: 1- Spin 2- Between the legs shot 3- Toe-drag and 4- kick the puck to your stick and shoot. Regardless, I do think the flick-up and bat-in is somewhat unrealistic, but that won't hinder me from buying the game. So far in about 10 games with the demo I haven't seen the CPU do it once, nor have I been able to do it myself. [/b][/quote]
And how often do those moves happen in the real NHL? Once every 10 games maybe?

When's the last time you saw a spin-o-rama goal? Just because a couple happen a year doesn't mean that Iginla should be able to pull them off at will because he's a highly skilled player.

Spin-o-rama = unrealistic
Between the legs shot = stupidly unrealistic
Toe-drag = realistic to a degree (being able to pull it off at will with any player over 80 is unrealistic)
Kick the puck to your stick and shoot = unrealistic (when's the last time you saw someone do that ON PURPOSE? This move only happens in hockey when the player loses the puck - they don't do it purposely.)

I just love how the deke stick doesn't even contain a normal, you know, deke. Whatever happened to fake left, go right and shoot?

[Calgary Flames]

Regular dekes are on the "Y" button as usual. I don't know if EA has ever gone for a simulation, their goal has always been to create a fun video game for hockey fans, this year they succeeded.

2k6 will definetely be more realistic (Bolded so JayP doesn't ignore this comment), and it'd be stupid for any hockey fan to not buy it.. the price is right and i'm sure the game is good. But I don't personally care how "realistic" NHL 06 is.. it's fataing fun and that's all that matters.

JayP, you've been quite the fanboy, 2 years running, congrats. See you at 2khockey.net bro.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally posted by fotze@Sep 6 2005, 07:33 AM
Is this game out today? It says so on tsn.ca.

Looks like that may indeed be the case

Link

[InTheSlot]

Originally posted by JayP+Sep 4 2005, 11:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JayP @ Sep 4 2005, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Ditto. I know tons of people who hated '05, but to me I thought it was a good game. I loved the addition of the 2-button shooting system, where one button is slapshot and one is wristshot, and I am glad they kept that for '06 as well.


I'm even happier this year because EA's 06 seems to be an improvement in gameplay and realism, that is, scoring, hitting, puck flow, cpu AI both offense and defense, etc.


I was real glad they implemented the new deke-stick thing, where you have 4 options of moves to choose from. Some say it's bad or unrealistic, but what I have noticed is that there are only select players who can perform such dekes. If you try to pull it with someone like Krystoph Oliwa, he'll lose the puck and won't be able to pull it off -- I think that's wondeful, cuz it's absolutely true. You don't see Oliwa doing spins or between the legs shots.


Lastly, I have not yet found a way to do the flick-up and bat-in move. For me with the deke stick, I have 4 choices and it does not include the bat-in. My options are: 1- Spin 2- Between the legs shot 3- Toe-drag and 4- kick the puck to your stick and shoot. Regardless, I do think the flick-up and bat-in is somewhat unrealistic, but that won't hinder me from buying the game. So far in about 10 games with the demo I haven't seen the CPU do it once, nor have I been able to do it myself.

And how often do those moves happen in the real NHL? Once every 10 games maybe?

When's the last time you saw a spin-o-rama goal? Just because a couple happen a year doesn't mean that Iginla should be able to pull them off at will because he's a highly skilled player.

Spin-o-rama = unrealistic
Between the legs shot = stupidly unrealistic
Toe-drag = realistic to a degree (being able to pull it off at will with any player over 80 is unrealistic)
Kick the puck to your stick and shoot = unrealistic (when's the last time you saw someone do that ON PURPOSE? This move only happens in hockey when the player loses the puck - they don't do it purposely.)

I just love how the deke stick doesn't even contain a normal, you know, deke. Whatever happened to fake left, go right and shoot? [/b][/quote]
Actually I play hockey myself, have for over 15 years and personally I can do the toe-drag any time I want, and it's quite effective, specifically one-on-one with a defenseman.


The spin move isn't as common, but there is a guy in the league I play with who is actually the best player and uses the spin a ton and makes it work. Sometimes it's just to be fancy, but it does work well, for him at least.


As for the kick-to-stick...that's way more common than you'd think. Maybe not to score all the time, but players ALWAYS kick the puck to their stick. It's a must.


Lastly, the between the legs shot I admit is insanely rare, and I know they only put it in the game because Vinny is the cover-boy this year and they saw him do it one time in the playoffs last year vs Montreal in I think Game 3.


Oh, and btw, on the PC version there is and always has been that regular side-to-side deke ("Circle" on PS2 controllers), but personally, I HATE that. It's SO boring, and something like that should NEVER fool a defenseman, at least not a good or experienced D-man who plays the body properly. '


Case in point, I'm just finally glad they put in some different dekes this year, even if they are somewhat unrealistic. Like I said, the CPU doesn't do those moves on me often at all, and I myself am not using them every second. I just use them when I have a good opportunity like a breakaway and what have you.

[Papa Gino]

not out today, I preordered a copy and went to EB and they said I had to wait till tommorow...

[JayP]

Originally posted by InTheSlot+Sep 6 2005, 07:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (InTheSlot @ Sep 6 2005, 07:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

And how often do those moves happen in the real NHL? Once every 10 games maybe?

When's the last time you saw a spin-o-rama goal? Just because a couple happen a year doesn't mean that Iginla should be able to pull them off at will because he's a highly skilled player.

Spin-o-rama = unrealistic
Between the legs shot = stupidly unrealistic
Toe-drag = realistic to a degree (being able to pull it off at will with any player over 80 is unrealistic)
Kick the puck to your stick and shoot = unrealistic (when's the last time you saw someone do that ON PURPOSE? This move only happens in hockey when the player loses the puck - they don't do it purposely.)

I just love how the deke stick doesn't even contain a normal, you know, deke. Whatever happened to fake left, go right and shoot?

Actually I play hockey myself, have for over 15 years and personally I can do the toe-drag any time I want, and it's quite effective, specifically one-on-one with a defenseman.


The spin move isn't as common, but there is a guy in the league I play with who is actually the best player and uses the spin a ton and makes it work. Sometimes it's just to be fancy, but it does work well, for him at least.


As for the kick-to-stick...that's way more common than you'd think. Maybe not to score all the time, but players ALWAYS kick the puck to their stick. It's a must.


Lastly, the between the legs shot I admit is insanely rare, and I know they only put it in the game because Vinny is the cover-boy this year and they saw him do it one time in the playoffs last year vs Montreal in I think Game 3.


Oh, and btw, on the PC version there is and always has been that regular side-to-side deke ("Circle" on PS2 controllers), but personally, I HATE that. It's SO boring, and something like that should NEVER fool a defenseman, at least not a good or experienced D-man who plays the body properly. '


Case in point, I'm just finally glad they put in some different dekes this year, even if they are somewhat unrealistic. Like I said, the CPU doesn't do those moves on me often at all, and I myself am not using them every second. I just use them when I have a good opportunity like a breakaway and what have you. [/b][/quote]
I'm not talking rec league hockey here.

I'm talking the NHL.

There aren't spin-o-ramas in the NHL. I'm sure every NHL player can do them by themselves in practice, but no when there's an NHL defender in front of them.

Like I said above, players don't purposely do a move that kicks the puck to their stick and shoot - they do it out of desperation. In no way should it be a preset move because no NHL player in their right mind would do as such.

The toe-drag is somewhat realistic, but the way EA impliments it isn't. The dekes are practically undefendable making it seems like the toe-drag is a high percentage play. Only the rare elite players in the NHL can pull off the toe-drag effectively and even then they only attempt it every 5 games or so maybe.

I've played hockey all my life and still do, but what we play isn't the NHL. This moves simply don't happen on a consistent enough basis in the NHL to be included realistically. Hey, you might like having the variety of dekes in there and that's fine - but these dekes just don't belong in a realistic hockey game.