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Old 05-06-2016, 02:33 PM   #21
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Really surprised only 1 person mentioned Buffalo, who are quite clearly the out-and-out winners. Even if you took away ROR, they've still got a generational talent in Eichel and a pretty good one in Reinhart, whom everyone wrote off because he didn't seem to 'progress' as quickly as Bennett did. Good for 42 points this year, 6 more than Bennett.

Then Risto who quite frankly is ridiculously good for his age, and didn't need the standard 5-year development period usually needed for defensemen.
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Winnipeg's is filthy.
Scary considering OP didn't include Hellebuyck. They actually scare me far more than most teams, in terms of their potential. Too bad they're an internal budget team and are located in an undesirable city, otherwise they would have everything going for them.
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Scary considering OP didn't include Hellebuyck. They actually scare me far more than most teams, in terms of their potential. Too bad they're an internal budget team and are located in an undesirable city, otherwise they would have everything going for them.
This is why they have to draft as well as they do. IMO their system lacked that franchise player until they won the lottery and got Laine as while they have lots of very nice prospects none of them scream franchise player.
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I know it's early but if he is (one of) the top defender in the KHL at 24 you may be able to say.

Matthews.
Nylander
Marner
Rielly
Zaitsev

Bump Kadri and add Zaitsev.
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This is why they have to draft as well as they do. IMO their system lacked that franchise player until they won the lottery and got Laine as while they have lots of very nice prospects none of them scream franchise player.
Kyle Connor was the steal of the first round last year. Should have probably gone in the 5-10 range. No way to know if he'll be a franchise player but he's trending in the right direction.
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Kyle Connor was the steal of the first round last year. Should have probably gone in the 5-10 range. No way to know if he'll be a franchise player but he's trending in the right direction.
The Jets don't overthink at the draft. They typically pick BPA in the early rounds and when you do that you end up with a lot of skilled players in your cupboard.
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The Jets don't overthink at the draft. They typically pick BPA in the early rounds and when you do that you end up with a lot of skilled players in your cupboard.
They really do seem to put an emphasis on skill over other attributes. Maybe it's because they already have quite a bit of size in the system.

Their player development also appears to be quite solid. Maybe it's a result of avoiding overthinking. Everything seems pretty objective throughout the organization.
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The Jets don't overthink at the draft. They typically pick BPA in the early rounds and when you do that you end up with a lot of skilled players in your cupboard.
That's the only way you should draft. IF they needed size, who wouldn't come running with offers for a Kyle Connor or Nikolaj Ehlers?

I doubt many would coming running the same way for Jake Virtanen or Pavel Zacha.

Skill/IQ appreciates as development progresses.
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That's the only way you should draft. IF they needed size, who wouldn't come running with offers for a Kyle Connor or Nikolaj Ehlers?

I doubt many would coming running the same way for Jake Virtanen or Pavel Zacha.
Whoa! Whats Zacha done to you man? Kick your Puppy? He looks like a beast of a Center that the Devils are going be really happy with.
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Whoa! Whats Zacha done to you man? Kick your Puppy? He looks like a beast of a Center that the Devils are going be really happy with.
Zacha doesn't seem very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment but I doubt his value is as high as Kyle Connor at this point in time.
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Maybe it's just me, but outside of Laine Winnipeg's core is a whole lot of meh to me. I think it's totally overrated.

Toronto, on the other hand, now THAT is one excellent looking young core. They could use an extra defenseman though.

As far as the Flames go, I'd say they're closer to the top than the bottom. Edmonton is probably up there too because of McDavid but their lack of defense is concerning. I don't know if I can rank them because they all have their positives and negatives, and that would take too long. Bottom line is the Flames have a pretty good young core that hopefully management can surround with a great supporting cast. They'll be a good team soon.
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Zacha doesn't seem very intelligent. Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment but I doubt his value is as high as Kyle Connor at this point in time.

Zacha is damn near PPG in the AHL after being called up. That's not easy to do at his age.
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I think we stack up pretty good against Winnipeg and Toronto.


Matthews.
Nylander
Marner
Rielly
Kadri


Laine
Scheifele
Trouba
Ehlers
Connor



Monahan
Gaudreau
Bennett
Brodie
Hamilton
6th round pick(hopefully a good player falls or a big trade is made).
In this exercise is there some age limit?

Winnipeg's being presented as being :

Laine
Scheifele
Trouba
Ehlers
Connor

Byfuglien, Wheeler, Myers, Little and Hellebuyck is another separate core for the Jets.

The Flames left out of the compared core are Gio-Frolik and Backlund and maybe Colborne?

I know it won't be popular but Edmonton's core looks ready to make a move. Held back a year by injuries

McDavid out for 37 games
Hall
Draisaitl out for 10 games
RNH out for 27 games
Dubois/Tkachuk
Nurse out 13 games
Klefbom out 52 games
Eberle is still there until they trade him for a d-man out 13 games

core games missed for the Oilers 152

core games missed for the Flames Brodie 12, Gaudreau 3, Monahan 1, Bennett 5 Gio 0 Hamilton 0 total 21 ... even if you moved Frolik 18, Backlund 0 and Wideman 31 to the core that is another 49 core games lost AND Wideman is part of the core.

Imagine where the Flames would have finished with 100 core games missed ... Gaudreau out for 37 games?

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Old 05-06-2016, 04:10 PM   #34
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I know it won't be popular but Edmonton's core looks ready to make a move. Held back a year by injuries


McDavid out for 37 games
Hall
Draisaitl out for 10 games
RNH out for 27 games
Dubois/Tkachuk
Nurse out 13 games
Klefbom out 52 games
Eberle is still there until they trade him for a d-man out 13 games
Fool me once shame on you, fool me 5 times?

You know that saying if you can't spot the sucker at the table?

Dubois/Tkachuk won't be in the NHL this season.
Nurse and Klefblom are compimentary pieces, you've got one hurting team if they are your core.
Eberle can't play D
Hall checks out for half the season
Draisitl had a great 25 game stretch in 2 seasons.
RNH isn't called the tenderness for nothing.

Let's be honest here, all those years of high draft picks and the Oilers actual core should consist of

McDavid

no one else on that team has shown they'll be part of a winner.

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Hamilton should be considered part of the core and Frolik and Backlund to a lesser extent
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lol you think that whoever the Oilers draft won't be in the NHL next season?

Have they ever sent any first round picks back down during camp? I think Nurse is the only one?
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I know it won't be popular but Edmonton's core looks ready to make a move. Held back a year by injuries

McDavid out for 37 games
Hall
Draisaitl out for 10 games
RNH out for 27 games
Dubois/Tkachuk
Nurse out 13 games
Klefbom out 52 games
Eberle is still there until they trade him for a d-man out 13 games

core games missed for the Oilers 152
Nurse and Draisaitl didn't miss any games to injuries. They were in the minors and/or suspended.
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core games missed for the Flames Brodie 12, Gaudreau 3, Monahan 1, Bennett 5 Gio 0 Hamilton 0 total 21 ... even if you moved Frolik 18, Backlund 0 and Wideman 31 to the core that is another 49 core games lost AND Wideman is part of the core.

Imagine where the Flames would have finished with 100 core games missed ... Gaudreau out for 37 games?
Calgary's only competent goalie missed 28 games due to injuries. Imagine where the Oilers would have finished.... ok, imagine how much worse the Oilers would have been with Talbot injured for 28 games.
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it's Edmonton, they have the best 1C, the best 1-2C combo and valuable pieces to fill in around that
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Kyle Connor was the steal of the first round last year. Should have probably gone in the 5-10 range. No way to know if he'll be a franchise player but he's trending in the right direction.
ive seen a few re-drafts done and they all have him in the top 5

he was incredible at Michigan this year
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it's Edmonton, they have the best 1C, the best 1-2C combo and valuable pieces to fill in around that
Defense and goaltending are huge in this league. EDM has proven over and over again that just having some skilled forwards gets you nowhere fast.
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