[News] Flames Management Want to Create a "Black & Blue" Team

[Calgary4LIfe]

Trade for a 6'5" Colborne.
Sign Engelland - a black and blue player that can actually play.
Traded for Bollig.
Brought up Ferland and kept him up.
Drafted Hunter Smith.
Signed Keegan Kanzig a bit early to some people.
Signed 6'3" Derek Grant
Traded for 6'5" Hamilton
Traded 5'10" Russell and got back 6'3" more physical Jokipakka
Signed 6'2" Nakladal who is decently physical for a puck mover
Signed Garnet Hathaway
Traded for Ladislav Smid

I guess people see what they want to see.

edit:
Also
Signed 6'3" Van Brabant
Traded for 6'3" Drew Shore
Traded for 6'3" Keven Pollack
Signed Colton Orr to the farm
Signed Blair Riley to the farm

The Flames got substantially bigger once Burke arrived, and it has continued under Treliving.

[blender]

Doughty, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Gaborik. Getzlaf, Perry, Lindholm, Silfverberg. Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Burns, Vlasic, Marleau. Who says you can't have skill?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

All talk. Their actions contradict their rhetoric.

Re-sign Stajan
Sign Raymond
Re-sign Russell
Trade for Shinkaruk
Re-sign Backlund
Sign Frolik

Now I like Backs and Frolik, and the Shinkaruk trade was for nothing, but there is no evidence that backs up their rhetoric so far.

MF and MB are good players and I don't want to move them, but I hate it when they talk about black and blue hockey and truculence when there actions contradict their statements.

Flames re-signed Russell?

A lot of teams would like to have 12 6'5" Power forwards and 6 Puck Moving 6'5" dman. There are only a handful of this kind of players. No one is tradnig them away, thats why Ferland probably has decent value. Look at the contract David Clarkson got. You want a team full of McGrattans?

It's a process, not going to happen overnight.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by blender

Doughty, Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Gaborik. Getzlaf, Perry, Lindholm, Silfverberg. Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Burns, Vlasic, Marleau. Who says you can't have skill?

I don't think anybody says you can't, just that it takes time and patience to acquire players like that, and in most cases you either draft/develop them on your own, or pay through the teeth to acquire them.

[blender]

Well, it sounds like a lot if posters in this thread are saying it.
Flames have the players with skill. Just need the supporting cast and ethic.

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[FiveSeven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Trade for a 6'5" Colborne.
Sign Engelland - a black and blue player that can actually play.
Traded for Bollig.
Brought up Ferland and kept him up.
Drafted Hunter Smith.
Signed Keegan Kanzig a bit early to some people.
Signed 6'3" Derek Grant
Traded for 6'5" Hamilton
Traded 5'10" Russell and got back 6'3" more physical Jokipakka
Signed 6'2" Nakladal who is decently physical for a puck mover
Signed Garnet Hathaway
Traded for Ladislav Smid

I guess people see what they want to see.

Exactly. They can't just wave a wand and make people grow.
You can't make players sign here.
You can't just made trades happen.

You take the best available option, you don't go long term as to not impair future choices that align more with the overall vision, and you live.
Everything done by Treliving has been a carefully well thought out plan. Sometimes things don't work, so is life.
The majority of things did workout, and better options are becoming available. Better options will result in better results personnel wise.

[Enoch Root]

I look forward to a team that a) plays more physically, and b) stands up for each other.

And that doesn't just mean bigger, meaner players, it also means a different coaching philosophy and demanding a grittier style of play.

I have absolutely no doubt that whoever they hire as the new coach will not tolerate a lack of response and sticking up for each other.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Calgary4Life clarified the moves to add size nicely.

Did anybody hear that Burke interview with McCown where he suggested that they had some truculent players that Hartley didn't like playing?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...ack-blue-team/

I wonder who in particular he was talking about? Maybe they wanted Engelland to see more ice time? Maybe Jooris? Maybe Hathaway? Hard to know.

[DomeFoam]

If this is the direction they want to head in, Tkachuk is our guy. No he wont be the crowd pleasing goal scoring dangling Nylander, but he fits the bill of what style of hockey they are trying to accomplish. And im fine with it, we have the generational skill in Gaudreau, the 2 way genius is Monahan, and a bit of both in Bennett, time to fill the last need which is that gritty Brayden Schenn-like winger for our top six.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Th Sharks don't play a physical style at all. they play a speed/skill game more like the Star/Preds/Hawks.

They also have the size that doesn't allow other teams to push them around. The Flames forwards as a whole are too small and need to get bigger.

[JonDuke]

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

All talk. Their actions contradict their rhetoric.

Re-sign Stajan
Sign Raymond
Re-sign Russell
Trade for Shinkaruk
Re-sign Backlund
Sign Frolik

Now I like Backs and Frolik, and the Shinkaruk trade was for nothing, but there is no evidence that backs up their rhetoric so far.

MF and MB are good players and I don't want to move them, but I hate it when they talk about black and blue hockey and truculence when there actions contradict their statements.

Good point. I hope their plan isn't to smash square pegs into round holes. Might as well hire Brent Sutter or Greg Gilbert to coach them.

In theory sure, I would love a black and blue team but we are so far from having that. You also need the PK to back it up.

Treliving was a goon so it isn't a surprise, but he has his work cut out for him. I have to think Dubois or Tkachuk are his draft targets this year.

[TheScorpion]

Management wants to make the Flames black and blue? I smell a jersey redesign!

[David Struch]

Flames need to pay the price and move up to grab their man... (*if necessary)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Shinkaruk
Dubois/Tkachuk - Bennett - Ferland
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik
Bouma - Jooris - Hathaway
Agostino/Van Brabant

Giordano - Hamitlon
Jokipakka - Brodie
Wotherpsoon - Sieloff
Engelland

[Dion]

[Matty81]

Yeah it sounds like a blueprint totally different to what they currently have. I don't think they really have one forward who could be called a power forward.. maybe Ferland? And the D is mobile and not very physical at all, at least in terms of the long term commitments.

I think that kind of blueprint is outdated anyway. Puck possession matters but size and physicality are just nice to have. If a player can protect the puck and do good things with it, it doesn't matter if he's 5'6" or 6'6" with fighting disappearing.

[heep223]

This is the thing I hate about Burke. "You need both skill and size in your lineup." Thanks tips.

And for some reason people treat it as some sort of epiphany when they hear him say that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by heep223

This is the thing I hate about Burke. "You need both skill and size in your lineup." Thanks tips.

And for some reason people treat it as some sort of epiphany when they hear him say that.

Nope. Just glad to hear that the guys in charge agree.

Compared to Feaster, for example, who made the team substantially smaller, as well as hiring a coach who all but eliminated hitting.

[St. Pats]

You watch them in their own zone and they get pinned in far too often. Seem powerless to turn the puck over. Of course they aren't really trying because Hartley knew they didn't have the bodies to do so. So they just sit looking to block shots and giving up the boards. Meanwhile they leave players in front of the net so their goalie is screened and rebounds are knocked in. Far far too passive.

Amplified on the PK.

On offense they dump and chase again with bodies who can't reclaim the puck. Little wonder they never have the puck.

They need not only some bodies that can play a different style but a coach who will teach them to play completely different than they have.

A pretty tall order.

All this with a collection of crap goaltenders to back them up while they learn.

Somebody better have a busy offseason.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think Feaster planned to make the team small. He went for the BPAs who just happened to be smaller skilled guys and then Hartley played the cards he was dealt.

Every GM would love to have big skilled bruisers, but they are rare and aren't easy to acquire.