15/16 Goaltending Review

[hockey.modern]

Varlamov was traded for a first (11th overall - Fillip Forsberg) & a second (54th overall - Mike Winther).

[corporatejay]

With a lot of young guys having career years do we want to burn another year fumbling around with crappy goaltending or actually give ourselves a shot of making a decent run?

The windows in this league close faster than people think, we need to act now.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wouldn't get overly excited if I were you. While I totally expect it from you the moment the new starting goaltender has a bad game it's one of those things that will get drowned out over the course of an 82 game season.

Nobody is writing off Ortio but the numbers don't lie and his stats aren't good enough right now to get consideration for a starting job in the NHL. Maybe in the future that will change but right now jobs and money are on the line going into next season and you can't let it al ride on an unproven goaltender and risk a repeat of this season.

No I'll wait until Ortio inevitably takes over the reigns.

I agree we need a starter but there is none available. Either your trading god knows what for a real starter or you're just bringing in another Ortio....

Originally Posted by corporatejay

With a lot of young guys having career years do we want to burn another year fumbling around with crappy goaltending or actually give ourselves a shot of making a decent run?

The windows in this league close faster than people think, we need to act now.

Well then it needs to be by trade since all the UFA's are meh at best and if you're going to trade for a goalie it better be a proven #1 and not a project cause I'd rather not lose assets for another Ortio (who was an AHL all star last season behind a terrible AHL team).

So prepare to part with some real key pieces....

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by polak

No I'll wait until Ortio inevitably takes over the reigns.

I agree we need a starter but there is none available. Either your trading god knows what for a real starter or you're just bringing in another Ortio....



Well then it needs to be by trade since all the UFA's are meh at best and if you're going to trade for a goalie it better be a proven #1 and not a project cause I'd rather not lose assets for another Ortio (who was an AHL all star last season behind a terrible AHL team).

So prepare to part with some real key pieces....

I'm prepared to give up a #### tonne to get ben bishop.

And I agree. Get Bishop, Fleury or Varly or someone proven or don't bother.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I'm prepared to give up a #### tonne to get ben bishop.

And I agree. Get Bishop, Fleury or Varly or someone proven or don't bother.

Don't bother? You mean come back with Ramo and Ortio? Sounds like a recipe to get people fired. Say what you want about Reimer but he's proven to be better than both of those guys and all he would have to do for the Flames is replicate his stats with the Leafs and that would be more than adequate for this team.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't bother? You mean come back with Ramo and Ortio? Sounds like a recipe to get people fired. Say what you want about Reimer but he's proven to be better than both of those guys and all he would have to do for the Flames is replicate his stats with the Leafs and that would be more than adequate for this team.

UFA I don't care about, there is no acquisition cost. My point was don't bother getting a half measure for a crapp pick or prospect. GO out and get a proven starter, give up a later first round pick (dallas') or one of our former firsts and a decent pick and be done with it.

[dustygoon]

GM, coach and players all doing the right thing with the public face that it was a team issue and not a goaltending issue. Even though its obvious that the goaltending was brutal.

[Strange Brew]

I am surprised at the number of people high on Reimer. Guess I am open minded about the idea but realistically how much term will it take to sign him? I am very wary of committing term to him as I am not as convinced as others that he has really proven anything.

To me the expansion draft is really a non issue. If you sign reimer and he is not cutting it, no one is taking him in an expansion draft.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Don't get me wrong Bishop would be sweet, but what is the cost going to be? Nevermind that it would probably be a 1st + prospect, the big thing is his re-signing contract. If posters think he is going to re-sign for a 2-3 term deal they are nuts. The guy is going to cash in . IMO you are not getting him less than 6 years and probably close to $7 million per. He better be the real deal if this happens. You are pretty much saying good bye to Gilles with that kind of commitment.

Exactly. Going after Bishop is a terrible idea. The assets don't make sense and re-signing him IF you do doesn't make sense either. Way too risky.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Don't get me wrong Bishop would be sweet, but what is the cost going to be? Nevermind that it would probably be a 1st + prospect, the big thing is his re-signing contract. If posters think he is going to re-sign for a 2-3 term deal they are nuts. The guy is going to cash in . IMO you are not getting him less than 6 years and probably close to $7 million per. He better be the real deal if this happens. You are pretty much saying good bye to Gilles with that kind of commitment.

I'd happily worry about Gilles in 3 years if he's developed into an NHL starter. What if he doesn't pan out? James Reimer? Until when?

[1qqaaz]

Based on the interview on Hockey Central at Noon, it sounded like Brad Treliving definitely prefers younger goaltenders. He compared the ideal goaltender trade to the Dougie Hamilton trade: improve now and for the future.

He said he wouldn't want to give up assets to get a temporary player. While getting a number one goaltender is a priority, they have also considered minor deals for potential 4th liners. Teams can get better in small increments.

It sounded like Ben Bishop might not the team's number one option at this point, although Anderssen, Murray, maybe Varlamov etc. still make sense. Reimer also makes sense, since he wouldn't require any assets to obtain.

[Mister Yamoto]

Ortio is the ideal goalie for a 26th place team.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Based on the interview on Hockey Central at Noon, it sounded like Brad Treliving definitely prefers younger goaltenders. He compared the ideal goaltender trade to the Dougie Hamilton trade: improve now and for the future.

He said he wouldn't want to give up assets to get a temporary player. While getting a number one goaltender is a priority, they have also considered minor deals for potential 4th liners. Teams can get better in small increments.

It sounded like Ben Bishop might not the team's number one option at this point, although Anderssen, Murray, maybe Varlamov etc. still make sense. Reimer also makes sense, since he wouldn't require any assets to obtain.

Sounds like Reimer is #1 on the flames list then. Free to acquire, only just turned 28(young for goalie), and can be a long term solution.
I'd be willing to sign Reimer for 3-5 years.

[heep223]

I can't say exactly why, but I just have a gut feeling that signing Reimer is a bad idea.

[polak]

So people acknowledge that Reimer is a young goalie but Ortio who is 4 years younger is a lost cause....? 24 year old Reimer posted a .900% sv% by the way.

Followed that with .924% then .911% then .907% then .918%. Seems like we're just signing an older Ortio and just as inconsistent.

I'm fine with bringing in Reimer or any ufa short term but man some of you are going to be disappointed with the outcome.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Sounds like Reimer is #1 on the flames list then. Free to acquire, only just turned 28(young for goalie), and can be a long term solution.
I'd be willing to sign Reimer for 3-5 years.

Funny that Bishop is only 29 but isn't considered a young goalie by many

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Sounds like Reimer is #1 on the flames list then. Free to acquire, only just turned 28(young for goalie), and can be a long term solution.
I'd be willing to sign Reimer for 3-5 years.

What kind of money would you sign Reimer at for 5 years?

[Roof-Daddy]

Reimer has very similar numbers to what Dubnyk had leading up to his contract with Minnesota. Reimer will also be the same age Dubnyk was when he signed his contract.

Dubnyk received a 6 year $26,000,000 deal ($4,333,333 AAV)

Now, granted Minnesota was able to "test drive" Dubnyk for half a season before signing him, and he lit it up with Vezina quality numbers. But the season before that he had a terrible season with Edmonton, Nashville and then in the AHL with Montreal's affiliate.

I certainly wouldn't go with that term on Reimer, 3-4 years at around $4.5-$5.0 million is probably realistic given his career numbers behind some pretty bad teams.

[polak]

Jesus. 3-4 years based on what?

How many other teams need a starter and would consider Reimer an upgrade? I doubt you need to spend anything like that to get him.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by polak

Jesus. 3-4 years based on what?

How many other teams need a starter and would consider Reimer an upgrade? I doubt you need to spend anything like that to get him.

Rumour was he was looking for 5 year 5+ million per. Granted that does not mean he will see get that but i think 3 year $4.5 million is about as low you are going to get Reimer for. I'm really hoping Reimer is option c or d when it comes to acqurirng a new goalie.

Also i'm not sold that the flames are really that high on Reimer. They could of had him for a 3rd/4th round pick well before the deadline. Thats not giving up that much if you believe in the goalie.