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Enoch Root · 04-02-2016, 12:51 PM

Fleury has head issues.

And concussion problems.

For his salary, and what it would cost to acquire him? No thank you.

Cali Panthers Fan · 04-02-2016, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He's definitely a starter, wasn't arguing that. But PIT isn't going to give that former 1st overall pick away. They will demand quite the ransom for him I would imagine. And then if we have to protect Gillies or Fleury next expansion draft we get screwed either having to expose the guy we traded for or one of our top prospects.

I just think the drop off from Fleury to Reimer isn't very significant. Acquiring Reimer for free would be ideal and then if you leave him unprotected next expansion draft you aren't losing an asset you paid heavily for. While the expansion draft may mean more goalies become available, if we have to protect Gillies then we would be trading into a problem if we pay heavily for a goalie through trade.

Gillies likely won't need to be protected, so don't worry about that.

If they feel that Murray is their next star goalie, and Fleury is declining and costing them a lot in cap space, then yeah, he can be had for much cheaper than he would otherwise be in a vacuum. There wouldn't be a ransom, but there would be an expectation of prospects or picks in return. I would imagine one higher end d-prospect (of which we have several and can stomach to lose one) and maybe someone like Klimchuk, with a mid-range pick thrown in.

And yes, the drop to Reimer is very significant. Reimer has battled consistency issues his whole career, and has been considered a very good backup who can go for stretches as the starter, but he's nowhere in the same league as Fleury.

GranteedEV · 04-02-2016, 01:11 PM

It's jumping the boat to assume the Penguins even trade MAF. Murray has to prove he can win a playoff series+ before we get to that conversation.

However I would be very confident if net season our goaltending depth was:

MAF 1
Ortio 2
Two of Gillies/Lyon/Poulin AHL Tandem
McDonald ECHL Starter
Schneider WHL Starter

Top to bottom depth.

We should trade

Klimchuk + Agostino + Van Brabant for MAF.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-02-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He's definitely a starter, wasn't arguing that. But PIT isn't going to give that former 1st overall pick away. They will demand quite the ransom for him I would imagine. And then if we have to protect Gillies or Fleury next expansion draft we get screwed either having to expose the guy we traded for or one of our top prospects.

I just think the drop off from Fleury to Reimer isn't very significant. Acquiring Reimer for free would be ideal and then if you leave him unprotected next expansion draft you aren't losing an asset you paid heavily for. While the expansion draft may mean more goalies become available, if we have to protect Gillies then we would be trading into a problem if we pay heavily for a goalie through trade.

They will have to expose a goalie to the expansion draft, and it's not going to be Matt Murray. Add in Fleury's term and you could acquire him for a reasonable amount.

neo45 · 04-02-2016, 01:41 PM

Matt Murray looking very good

Loudog · 04-02-2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's jumping the boat to assume the Penguins even trade MAF. Murray has to prove he can win a playoff series+ before we get to that conversation.

However I would be very confident if net season our goaltending depth was:

MAF 1
Ortio 2
Two of Gillies/Lyon/Poulin AHL Tandem
McDonald ECHL Starter
Schneider WHL Starter

Top to bottom depth.

We should trade

Klimchuk + Agostino + Van Brabant for MAF.

Something tells me they won't want Agostino back. I don't think this trade is very appetizing for them. Unless that's green text...

transplant99 · 04-02-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Well now everybody gets to see if Matt Murray is all that and a bag of chips.

Pretty good start....24 save shutout.

TheOnlyBilko · 04-02-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alan21

This is new. Disappearing before the playoffs instead of during.

Fleury, his Stanley Cup ring and 2 finals appearances laugh at you. There's only a very few current goalies that can say they played in 2 Stanley Cup finals.

TheOnlyBilko · 04-02-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Murph

Hypothetically speaking, if Matt Murray were to light it up, would we be interested in acquiring Fleury? He's got 3 years remaining @ $5.75M.

Obviously yes. A proven winner and one of the top 5 goalies of this era.

TheOnlyBilko · 04-02-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

For what MAF would cost in trade I'd rather just sign Reimer, I don't see Fleury as significantly better than Reimer. Not a huge fan of Fleury, he lets in a weak one literally every time I watch him

Reimer instead of Fleury??

Hahahaha...... sorry I had to laugh.

Murph · 04-02-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Obviously yes. A proven winner and one of the top 5 goalies of this era.

Not sure it's as obvious as you think. I think his deal might be one year longer than we want in a veteran goalie, and then there's the acquisition cost.

Oling_Roachinen · 04-02-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

lol

Really? The statistically second best team in the East, do not have the choking reputation as the number 1, and have heated up down the stretch when it matters most.

They've won 11 of their last 12 outscoring their opponents 49 to 24. The team has an extra bounce under Sullivan. Crosby has 53 points in 40 games in 2016. A crazy 109 point pace. Kessel himself has been on a point-per-game pace for awhile and has a respectful 35 points in his last 40. Most impressive though has been Letang. Under Sullivan he's put up over a point-per-game. Everyone has been talking about how crazy Karlsson has been, but Letang has outscored him under Sullivan. Fleury had only let in more than 3 goals in one game all of March...against the Flames.

The whole team has heated up lately. Malkin's a real possibility to show up for the second round, if not sooner. In terms of hot-teams entering the playoffs, this was the last team you would want to go up against. I don't think it's particularly "lol" worthy for someone picking them to come out of the East. Best player in the world and a solid team behind him. If they get goaltending from Murray or elsewhere, I'll take them too.

TheOnlyBilko · 04-02-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Murph

Not sure it's as obvious as you think. I think his deal might be one year longer than we want in a veteran goalie, and then there's the acquisition cost.

The acquisition cost is the big one, yes I agree. I'm just saying if we had the chance of obtaining Fleury without killing the farm so to speak, it would be a no brainer to grab him. Fleury would be the player that could push this team over the edge and back into the playoffs.

CalgaryFan1988 · 04-02-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

The acquisition cost is the big one, yes I agree. I'm just saying if we had the chance of obtaining Fleury without killing the farm so to speak, it would be a no brainer to grab him. Fleury would be the player that could push this team over the edge and back into the playoffs.

Fleury is 31 and had two concussions this season alone.

P.S. The little + button beside the quote is used to multi quote. Would be terrific if you used it once in a while.

Murph · 04-02-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

The acquisition cost is the big one, yes I agree. I'm just saying if we had the chance of obtaining Fleury without killing the farm so to speak, it would be a no brainer to grab him. Fleury would be the player that could push this team over the edge and back into the playoffs.

Don't ignore that third year either. If management thinks one of the goalies in the system will be ready to start by that third year, they may hesitate to acquire him.

Philly06Cup · 04-03-2016, 01:16 AM

Fleury had an amazing season last year. Outside of that year, meh and overrated.

Tsawwassen · 04-03-2016, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Talk about his playoff record if you must, but he's done the job year over year for the Penguins.

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Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

There's only a very few current goalies that can say they played in 2 Stanley Cup finals.

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Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Fleury had an amazing season last year. Outside of that year, meh and overrated.

Really? Outside of last year? See what Cali Panthers and especially Bilko posted and don't forget that Fleury has a Stanley Cup ring.

devo22 · 04-03-2016, 07:24 AM

too be fair, Fleury has a Stanley Cup ring because Malkin and Crosby combined for 67 points in the playoffs that year, not because of his .908 save percentage in the playoffs.

Tsawwassen · 04-03-2016, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

too be fair, Fleury has a Stanley Cup ring because Malkin and Crosby combined for 67 points in the playoffs that year, not because of his .908 save percentage in the playoffs.

Fair enough and continuing to be fair, Fleury made it to the finals the year before because of his .933 save percentage in the playoffs, not because Malkin and Crosby combined for 49 points in the playoffs.

Philly06Cup · 04-03-2016, 08:50 AM

Being a winner and making it deep in the playoffs are weak arguments. Overall it is very hard to judge goalies though because their numbers and success is heavily influenced by team play. I know I watch a lot of flyers/pens games, and he's looked really bad in them.

Over the years his numbers have barely been better than his backups' -- backups like Conklin, Brett Johnson, Zatkoff.

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