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[devo22]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Would appear Wotherspoon odd man out as Jokipakka will play along side Nakladal. #Flames

Knew something like this would happen, but it still pisses me off. Would rather see Brodie/Giordano - Hamilton/Jokipakka, Nakladal/Wotherspoon.

At this point, I just don't see the value of playing Engelland ahead of Wotherspoon AT ALL.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

As much as I want a top 3 pick I'm scared that to much losing will rub off on them. Just look at Edmonton They will never be good EVER! So hope we have a great game tonight. Go Flames

Edmonton is the exception. Look at LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington...

Edmonton has so many more problems than a "losing culture". And anyways, this team made the 2nd round of the playoffs less than a year ago, it's not like they've been awful for a decade.

Originally Posted by devo22

At this point, I just don't see the value of playing Engelland ahead of Wotherspoon AT ALL.

GRIT™

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

That's pretty good.
I still won't stop proclaiming his uselessness

Can you please? Because it's really grating on the rest of us. Posters who harp on one issue continually tend to stink up the joint.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by polak

That's pretty good.

I still won't stop proclaiming his uselessness

Why not?

It's quite annoying. Seriously - what's your basis for the Hartley hate you continue to display?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Why not?

It's quite annoying. Seriously - what's your basis for the Hartley hate you continue to display?

How much time do you have?

[polak]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Can you please? Because it's really grating on the rest of us. Posters who harp on one issue continually tend to stink up the joint.

Maybe Jokipakka will give me something else to talk about.

I'll admit that alternating between:

"Hartley sucks", "Gaudreau is awesome", "leave Monahan alone" and "ugh" is getting tiring.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

what's your basis for the Hartley hate you continue to display?

Seriously? It'd be a lot easier to name the things that Hartley has done well this season. Here we go:

- Made funny jokes.

That's it. But yes, he won the Jack Adams last year so he must be good.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by polak

Maybe Jokipakka will give me something else to talk about.

I'll admit that alternating between:

"Hartley sucks", "Gaudreau is awesome", "leave Monahan alone" and "ugh" is getting tiring.

If that's really all you have to say, maybe you'd benefit from saying it less often.

[Table 5]

When TheScorpion is questioning your quality-to-quantity ratio, you know it's perhaps time to sit back and reflect on things a bit.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by devo22

Knew something like this would happen, but it still pisses me off. Would rather see Brodie/Giordano - Hamilton/Jokipakka, Nakladal/Wotherspoon.

At this point, I just don't see the value of playing Engelland ahead of Wotherspoon AT ALL.

Well the problem is none of the defensemen deserve to sit, and certainly not Engelland. Engelland is probably one of the least likely to sit since he's the only physical one of the bunch. Based on merit I guess you have to sit one of Wotherspoon or Nakladal but I don't like sitting either of them.

Be interesting to see how the defense goes the rest of the way. We actually have a bit of a logjam when Wideman gets back. Gonna be some tough decisions this offseason and next fall.

[TBone290]

Back to where The Schlemko was born

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by polak

Maybe Jokipakka will give me something else to talk about.

I'll admit that alternating between:

"Hartley sucks", "Gaudreau is awesome", "leave Monahan alone" and "ugh" is getting tiring...

If you are tired, you could always take a break. Breaks are awesome!

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

We actually have a bit of a logjam when Wideman gets back. Gonna be some tough decisions this offseason and next fall.

Exactly, and that's why scratching Wotherspoon and/or Nakladal (and I have zero doubt they'll both sit once Wideman is back) serves no purpose at all. If you want to know whether they have a future in this organization, you play them ... you don't scratch them for vets who are gone after next season in either case. The Flames have NOTHING on the line. I'd rather see Wotherspoon and Nakladal in each game than both Engelland and Wideman log 20+ minutes.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well the problem is none of the defensemen deserve to sit, and certainly not Engelland.

Let's think for a second that Engelland has been a + player not once in 14 straight games.

Since Russell got hurt, Engelland was the automatic bump to the 2nd pair. What has he done there? 43% possession, and the Flames have scored 38.5% of the goals with him on the ice at ES. They've scored 52.4% of the goals with him off the ice at ES.

Whether or not Engelland "doesn't deserve to sit" (translation: veteran preference is weighed over merit), whatever Hartley is doing right now with Engelland is not working and we need a shakeup. His fear of "it could be worse" is preventing "it" from ever getting better.

Engelland is the new Chris Butler. An AHLer being played in over his head. He dragged down Wideman all season and people kept blaming Wideman, now he's dragging down Hamilton. He dragged down Brodie last year after Gio went down even though Schlemko was better (and this year proved Schlemko would have been better in those minutes too).

The only partner he's had in his two years here he has not dragged down was Brett Kulak, and the pair were playing extremely sheltered minutes together. And it still got Kulak sent down after a brilliant training camp because he couldn't pull Kulak up.

[sureLoss]

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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Let's think for a second that Engelland has been a + player not once in 14 straight games.

Since Russell got hurt, Engelland was the automatic bump to the 2nd pair. What has he done there? 43% possession, and the Flames have scored 38.5% of the goals with him on the ice at ES. They've scored 52.4% of the goals with him off the ice at ES.

Whether or not Engelland "doesn't deserve to sit" (translation: veteran preference is weighed over merit), whatever Hartley is doing right now with Engelland is not working and we need a shakeup. His fear of "it could be worse" is preventing "it" from ever getting better.

Engelland is the new Chris Butler. An AHLer being played in over his head as a top 4 guy.

Who crushed multiple Flyers last game? Engelland.

Throw the possession metrics out for a second and look at the makeup of our defense. It is a little lacking in the physical, defensive defensemen. So what are the chance we scratch the only one of them? Pretty much zero. Hartley wants us to play hard down the stretch. Engelland plays the toughest, meanest game out of any of our d-men. Engelland is going to make the other team pay the price along the boards and certainly did last game.

Yes Engelland was playing in over his head in the top 4. Doesn't mean he should suddenly be a scratch. The role he fills (physical, defensive defenseman) isn't filled by anyone else on the team right now unless Jokipakka is a similar player. Arguably we're shorter on that role then we should be. You can't scratch a guy when he's the only player filling that important role on the team.

[Poe969]

I don't know why anyone wouldn't want Engelland in the line up, especially with Marchand out there. Without Engelland, this team is really lacking a physical guy who can actually back it up and keeps other guys honest. I"m all for letting all the prospects play but at the end of the day, you need someone to keep the other team in check to protect those prospects.

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by codynw

Edmonton is the exception. Look at LA, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Washington...

Edmonton has so many more problems than a "losing culture". And anyways, this team made the 2nd round of the playoffs less than a year ago, it's not like they've been awful for a decade.



GRIT™

This is true but i would like to see our younger guys get rewarded with a win tonight. Thats all.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by devo22

Knew something like this would happen, but it still pisses me off. Would rather see Brodie/Giordano - Hamilton/Jokipakka, Nakladal/Wotherspoon.

At this point, I just don't see the value of playing Engelland ahead of Wotherspoon AT ALL.

This may explain things a little more:

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenWHaynes 28s28 seconds ago
Darren Haynes Retweeted Roger Millions
FYI - Wotherspoon came up as an emergency recall. Until his status changes, he cannot play ahead of six healthy D.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Who crushed multiple Flyers last game? Engelland.

Throw the possession metrics out for a second and look at the makeup of our defense. It is a little lacking in the physical, defensive defensemen. So what are the chance we scratch the only one of them? Pretty much zero. Hartley wants us to play hard down the stretch. Engelland plays the toughest, meanest game out of any of our d-men. Engelland is going to make the other team pay the price along the boards and certainly did last game.

Yes Engelland was playing in over his head in the top 4. Doesn't mean he should suddenly be a scratch. The role he fills (physical, defensive defenseman) isn't filled by anyone else on the team right now unless Jokipakka is a similar player. Arguably we're shorter on that role then we should be. You can't scratch a guy when he's the only player filling that important role on the team.

I love him on this team, but not with the minutes he's getting right now

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This may explain things a little more:

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenWHaynes 28s28 seconds ago
Darren Haynes Retweeted Roger Millions
FYI - Wotherspoon came up as an emergency recall. Until his status changes, he cannot play ahead of six healthy D.

His status must have changed, otherwise as an emergency recall he has to be sent down as the emergency does not exist anymore. Unless he has already been sent down and it hasn't been announced.