Winnipeg media turning on Cheveldayoff

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by getbak

20: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...heveldayoff/94

Better question is how many player for player moves has he made? Believe Kane was his first.

He complained about the Atlanta culture then proceeds to re-sign all the core pieces from what was a dysfunctional team. Players that want to stay are told there is no interest.

Budget team or not, there has been some piss poor mismanagement. Chevy ain't ready for prime time.

[burn_this_city]

Not enough game breakers, need a bonafid superstar or two.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Better question is how many player for player moves has he made? Believe Kane was his first.

He complained about the Atlanta culture then proceeds to re-sign all the core pieces from what was a dysfunctional team. Players that want to stay are told there is no interest.

Budget team or not, there has been some piss poor mismanagement. Chevy ain't ready for prime time.

PLayer for play he only has 1: Kane. Worked out pretty well too. But 1 is a pathetic number 5 years in.

[Bingo]

Not sure I'd hang this season entirely on the GM. Going younger given their core makes sense, ... hell in Calgary people complain if they don't go young. The big issue there seems to be leadership.

You have core players going UFA and it seems to have taken away from the team's focus. The need to take needless penalties is party coaching, but seems to come down to leadership as well. Clearly players don't feel any internal pressure for playing undisciplined, team comes second hockey.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Hellebuyck has solved the goal tending for them

Too little too late.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Too little too late for this season.

Fyp.

[Vinny01]

From what I have heard the Jets have a very strong prospect pool so some credit goes to Chevy for that. However outside of one blockbuster trade the franchise has made very few moves since he took over. The team really hasn't moved forward and while the prospects appear promising none have proven much yet. Schifele, Trouba, Ehlers are solid picks for being drafted 7-9th overall. let's see how he handles his big rental chips as it may decide his fate

[OutOfTheCube]

Dumping Stafford and Myers on them was addition by subtraction. Our two most mentally fragile, inconsistent, and disinterested players. No surprise that that's been the book on them this season and the team is struggling.

Say what you want about Kane, the guy goes out and plays his butt off and wants to win.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Dumping Stafford and Myers on them was addition by subtraction. Our two most mentally fragile, inconsistent, and disinterested players. No surprise that that's been the book on them this season and the team is struggling.

Say what you want about Kane, the guy goes out and plays his butt off and wants to win.

Myers has been fantastic this season. His advanced stats have dramatically improved and he's been one of our best D men. Stafford also has very good advanced stats this season and has 5 more points than Kane. Armia has looked very solid and has great possession stats as well. Roslovic as a 19 year old has nearly a point per game in University. Hard to look at this deal and think Buffalo came away the winner. Bogosians advanced stats are a tire fire and Kane is being investigated for possible rape. Talking about addition by subtraction? Getting rid of Evander the Clown (and possible sex offender) is about as good as you get.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Myers has been fantastic this season. His advanced stats have dramatically improved and he's been one of our best D men. Stafford also has very good advanced stats this season and has 5 more points than Kane. Armia has looked very solid and has great possession stats as well. Roslovic as a 19 year old has nearly a point per game in University. Hard to look at this deal and think Buffalo came away the winner. Bogosians advanced stats are a tire fire and Kane is being investigated for possible rape. Talking about addition by subtraction? Getting rid of Evander the Clown (and possible rapist) is about as good as you get.

Advanced stats. Lol. Enough said.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Advanced stats. Lol. Enough said.

Alright..

Myers has 19 points, Bogosian has 8.
Myers is +1 Bogosian is -16.

Stafford has 24 points.
Kane has 19 points.

Kane is currently under investigation for possibly raping someone.
Stafford is currently under no investigation.

So .... yeah...

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Alright..

Myers has 19 points, Bogosian has 8.
Myers is +1 Bogosian is -16.

Stafford has 24 points.
Kane has 19 points.

So .... yeah...

Much better. Why make a silly advanced stats argument when you could simply point to those stats.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Much better. Why make a silly advanced stats argument when you could simply point to those stats.

I put a lot of value in advanced stats, especially for Myers and D men. Myers had very bad possession stats last year in Buffalo, so it's really nice to see him shoot up over 50%.

But I know its very up in the air, the advanced stats.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

From what I have heard the Jets have a very strong prospect pool so some credit goes to Chevy for that. However outside of one blockbuster trade the franchise has made very few moves since he took over. The team really hasn't moved forward and while the prospects appear promising none have proven much yet. Schifele, Trouba, Ehlers are solid picks for being drafted 7-9th overall. let's see how he handles his big rental chips as it may decide his fate

They have a good prospect pool. Great. That doesn't win games nor sell season tickets.

Team needs to start winning and regressing as bad as they have is an indictment on management, especially in a year when season ticket renewal is up. Chevy could draw on that prospect pool to get immediate help but he is fixated on draft and develop. Tell that to a season ticket base whose patience is being pushed to the limit.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I'd hang this season entirely on the GM. Going younger given their core makes sense, ... hell in Calgary people complain if they don't go young. The big issue there seems to be leadership.

You have core players going UFA and it seems to have taken away from the team's focus. The need to take needless penalties is party coaching, but seems to come down to leadership as well. Clearly players don't feel any internal pressure for playing undisciplined, team comes second hockey.

It is on the gm. Our gm went and got Frolik as he realized there wasn't a young player that could fill that role. If Winnipeg is going the oiler way of putting young kids out when they aren't ready, is the result really unexpected. Kids needs vets and when a guy like stempniak wants to stick around and they tell him to buzz off, then the gm is at fault.

[ricardodw]

The Flames are virtually equivalent to the Jets in standings for the last 2 seasons.

The Flames have locked in Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Frolik for 4 plus years.

They have Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett as legit core type players under 22

The Jets have Wheeler and Myers for 4 plus years. If they opened up the vault they could add Byfuglien and Ladd and be in the same boat as the Flames.

They have Trouba, Schiefele, Ehlers, Hellebuyck as legit core type player under 22

The Jets have Morrissey, Connor and Roslovic who as non-NHL prospects who would be have least as much impact potential as Jankowski and Hickey.


The Flames are at the cap and will be forced to drop important players (Hudler, Jones, Russell) and will have to fill the vacant spots with bargain players.

The Jets are in the same UFA position with Byfuglien and Ladd but have enough cap room to sign them or replacements.

Trevling has already spent all his cap money on Gio and Hamilton and Frolik. This has not provided the expected boost that the Flames needed to break out of the bottom 3rd of the league.

There is a lot of expectations that Hamilton can get a lot better. Pretty sure that everyone will be happy and a bit surprised if Gio retains his current level of play as he ages. Frolik is as good as he ever was and likely ever will be.

The Jets media and fans are getting anxious.. How would the Flames fans not be feeling the same with a team that is solid on paper but closer to a bottom 3 finish than a solid playoff spot?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

They have a good prospect pool. Great. That doesn't win games nor sell season tickets.

Team needs to start winning and regressing as bad as they have is an indictment on management, especially in a year when season ticket renewal is up. Chevy could draw on that prospect pool to get immediate help but he is fixated on draft and develop. Tell that to a season ticket base whose patience is being pushed to the limit.

The Flames have great ELC players. That apparently does not win games (might sell tickets)


Team needs to start winning and regressing as bad as they have is an indictment on management, especially in a year when season ticket renewal is up. Trevling has no prospect pool to get immediate help and the team is as good as it gets. Tell that to a season ticket base whose patience is being pushed to the limit

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Alright..

Myers has 19 points, Bogosian has 8.
Myers is +1 Bogosian is -16.

Stafford has 24 points.
Kane has 19 points.

Kane is currently under investigation for possibly raping someone.
Stafford is currently under no investigation.

So .... yeah...

Kane was always highly overrated which is why the Jets easily win the deal as they got the best player in the trade in Myers.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Myers has been fantastic this season. His advanced stats have dramatically improved and he's been one of our best D men. Stafford also has very good advanced stats this season and has 5 more points than Kane. Armia has looked very solid and has great possession stats as well. Roslovic as a 19 year old has nearly a point per game in University. Hard to look at this deal and think Buffalo came away the winner. Bogosians advanced stats are a tire fire and Kane is being investigated for possible rape. Talking about addition by subtraction? Getting rid of Evander the Clown (and possible sex offender) is about as good as you get.

Yeah they both had perfectly fine 3 or 4 month stretches as Sabres too.

I'll take my 6 and 9 year evaluations over yours, thanks.

Would be like the Flames trading David Jones and Dennis Wideman. No one would be overly upset.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah they both had perfectly fine 3 or 4 month stretches as Sabres too.

I'll take my 6 and 9 year evaluations over yours, thanks.

Would be like the Flames trading David Jones and Dennis Wideman. No one would be overly upset.