[Signing] Panthers sign Barkov to 6 year extension ($5.9mil AAV)

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

At what?

Pretty much everything except goals/60...

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He has better underlying stats, better offense this year, miles ahead defensively.

Also doesn't benefit from playing with Johnny Hockey

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He has better underlying stats, better offense this year, miles ahead defensively.

What underlying stats?

He has one more point and 2 less goals

Miles ahead? Hyperbole for the win.

Monahan accidentally had Selke votes last year I guess.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Monahan has significantly more goals and better overall stats than Barkov. If I'm him using this as a comparable, I start at 7.5M/year and don't budge under 7.

Barkov is scoring at a higher pts/game pace than Monahan is this year, and has only -2 goals so far. I believe the two are very closely comparable, and that Monahan's overall better numbers—owing to a big second year combined with an injury-plagued first year for Barkov—do not make up for the +$1m AAV in your pitch.

I believe that Barkov will end up being a better player than Monahan. However, there is legitimately a concern about his long-term durability.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Also doesn't benefit from playing with Johnny Hockey

Yeah, Barkov plays with schlubs like Jagr and Huberdeau.

I actually really like Barkov, but talk like Monahan isn't in his league is hilarious.

[Caged Great]

6 X 6 is about right for Mono. 8 X 7.5 for Gaudreau (Tarasenko contract comparable) would also be about right in my opinion. Any less $ wise would be a win for the Flames, especially if the term is there.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What underlying stats?

He has one more point and 2 less goals

Miles ahead? Hyperbole for the win.

Monahan accidentally had Selke votes last year I guess.

Monahan is actually pretty poor defensively, so it's odd to see him get Selke votes.

I've said it before. I'd sign Monahan to a bridge contract this off season. The player I'd be looking to lock up long-term is Gaudreau.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

. The player I'd be looking to lock up long-term is Gaudreau.

You do both.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You do both.

I'm not convinced with Monahan yet, but Gaudreau will only get better.

I'm not sure how much more Monahan has to give offensively. I think the Flames save money in the long-term if you hold off giving him a mammoth contract.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not convinced with Monahan yet, but Gaudreau will only get better.

The point is neither of them (Monahan / Barkov) have convincingly separated themselves from the other at this point.

They are extremely comparable up to this point and anything else is purely speculative.

[spuzzum]

Interesting comparables:

Barkov: 163 games 90 points 36 goals -> 0.55 points per game. 0.22 goals per game.
Monahan: 202 games 125 points 67 goals -> 0.62 points per game. 0.33 goals per game.

Goal production generally validates a higher salary outside of the defense discussion. Nevertheless, excellent contract for Florida. Monahan around 6.5 to 7 million will most likely be the number. I'd personally still start at 7,5 and come down.

It'd be a toss up which player I take if only able to select one.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

The point is neither of them (Monahan / Barkov) have convincingly separated themselves from the other at this point.

They are extremely comparable up to this point and anything else is purely speculative.

I don't disagree. I just said I will be disappointed if Monahan gets a higher AAV than this at a similar term.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't disagree. I just I will be disappointed if Monahan gets a higher AAV than this at a similar term.

Well buckle up buckaroo.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not convinced with Monahan yet, but Gaudreau will only get better.

I'm not sure how much more Monahan has to give offensively. I think the Flames save money in the long-term if you hold off giving him a mammoth contract.

Even if Monahan's offensive ceiling is 30 g/60 pts, that is still in the ballpark of a $6m player. Although I would argue that given his age and trajectory to date, it should be expected for him to improve even just a little bit on his totals from last year.

I still think he is a future, consistent 70 pt. player.

[Bunk]

Contract is about believed upside, not just past/current performance in their first few years. I think Barkov is an extremely close comparable for Monahan. I'd expect a very similar contract for Monahan.

[Oling_Roachinen]

10M for their top two centers until 2021 is an absolute steal, throw in an absolute stud of a defenseman who's yet to turn 20 and you've got the starting blocks for a great team. Huberdeau is 22, Gudbranson is 24, Jagr's like 20 or something. This is a good team built around good young players. No reason they shouldn't be able to compete at a high level for the next decade.

Luongo is 36 and Bolland is signed at 5.5M for the next couple years, so they aren't without their issues

[DoubleK]

If forced to choose between the two, I'd take Barkov. I think he's got a little more room to grow than Monahan. I'm a Jagr fan, so may pay more attention to the Panthers than most.

Would expect that Monahan will get a similar deal.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Monahan is actually pretty poor defensively, so it's odd to see him get Selke votes.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not sure how much more Monahan has to give offensively.

Considering he's not even in his prime yet, to say that Monahan's pretty poor defensively and has nothing more to give offensively is pretty ridiculous IMO. He's good and getting better on both sides of the puck.

If you can lock him up to the same contract as Barkov, it's a steal.

[Vinny01]

I would like to get Monahan at similar money but want the full 8 years.

Both broke into the league at the same time.

Monahan has played 39 more games, has 35 more points, and 31 more goals. Hard to say that Barkov is better at all. Monahan is more durable and the better goal scorer

[ComixZone]

Toss on two extra years, kick the AAV up to 6.25-6.4, and hand the papers over to Monahan.