Tricky decisions for Treliving (LeBrun article) - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Strange Brew · 01-12-2016, 03:25 PM

This team is 26th overall in the standings. Period. Yes they could still sneak into the playoffs but they are not a contender by any measure.

If a pending UFA is not part of your plan to achieve contender status, they need to be moved for the most you can get. I can't see any of our pending UFA's being part of the long term plan, except for Ramo maybe.

Could Hudler, Russell, Jones and Hiller all be traded? Moving three guys off the roster for picks and prospects seems like a lot but I would be happy with it.

Calgary4LIfe · 01-12-2016, 03:40 PM

Russell I can see Treliving re-signing, or trading. He is young enough to keep around moving forward, though he may not be the right piece and at the right cost - that will be a different argument.

I do hope that the Flames do trade most of their pending UFAs. I am of the opinion you build a contender, and don't lose sight of that plan. Jones (if he remains injury-free and producing) and Hudler (if he comes back and starts putting up some good numbers) can return something significant.

DJones · 01-12-2016, 03:58 PM

I think Hudler and Wideman should be priority to get rid of. Trevling did well last year, should be thinking with the same mentality.

There isn't anyone to fill in the #4 spot so wouldn't mind Russell back at a similar cap hit.

(Engellend or Smid), Raymond, Bollig could be replaced within our current system tomorrow.

Jones and Colborne I am on the fence on.

Vinny01 · 01-12-2016, 04:11 PM

Going into the deadline there is a core in place that I don't think should be traded. Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie, Hamilton, Gio are the 6 players that I think are the foundation of this team. I am not totally opposed to trading our 1st as I have mentioned in the Droion thread but that has to be done carefully and with a player that can be on this team for a decade + coming back.

Every other player on the roster is open for being moved. Heck any prospect is up for discussion as well with potentially Gillies being the exception. The key is each move needs the long term rebuild as the vision. I think you do roll the dice and move Russell, Hudler, Jones if they get a decent return. Adding 2 more 2nd round picks could be huge this summer. Last year the Flames used the picks to land Dougie nth is year they may have to use a pick to shed a bad contract to free up cap space to improve the players surrounding the core. As of today the free agent class is strong but we can't be a player if we still have Wideman, Raymond, Bollig, Smid, Engellend, Stajan, and Backlund all chewing up a big chunk of cap space.

Meers · 01-12-2016, 04:12 PM

Of course you sell.

Vulcan · 01-12-2016, 04:20 PM

Depending on where we are come the deadline, it's stand pat or sell. I could see us acquiring a player in some minor deal but otherwise no.

Vinny01 · 01-12-2016, 04:21 PM

I wonder if this will be a deadline that has more 'hockey deal' than in years past? Maybe not blockbusters like the Columbus/Nashville deal but less picks for UFA's and more player for player deals?

Flames Draft Watcher · 01-12-2016, 04:29 PM

I'd be surprised if Treliving doesn't move somebody out. If we're far enough out I could see him fielding offers on a wide variety of our vets.

getbak · 01-12-2016, 04:37 PM

In addition to the guys in the NHL right now, something needs to be done with Nakladal. He either needs to get playing time in Calgary, or the Flames need to move him somewhere that he can get NHL time.

I can't see him re-signing with the Flames if he gets stuck in the AHL all season, and it would suck for the Flames to lose him without seeing what he can do in the NHL.

JohnnyB · 01-12-2016, 04:41 PM

With pending UFAs that could be moved out, I don't see immediate upgrades coming to their positions if they do go. Nonetheless, if someone's not a key part of the long-term plans then they should be moved out to make space for someone younger. The team has made most of its progress through young players who have progressed and stepped up as a result of space on the Flames' roster. That needs to keep going.

Johnny, Monahan, Hamilton, Bennett are all still really young key pieces, but they're also not rookies anymore. They should be getting relied upon while more spaces are opened up for fresh faces.

I'd like to see the UFAs moved, maybe one UFA signed in the summer and some more roster spots turned over to young players.

MrMastodonFarm · 01-12-2016, 04:48 PM

Jones, Hudler, Russell should all be moved.

Treliving should give the scouts an extra 4-5 picks in the top 90 with those guys at the very least.

Poe969 · 01-12-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

It's not a tricky decision at all. If you can get anythingfor Russell you trade him. End of story.

Fyp. Russell isn't part of this teams future, get what you can for him and moe on.

Flames Draft Watcher · 01-12-2016, 06:01 PM

I'd be looking to deal Hudler. I'd re-sign or trade Jones (depending on price). I'd re-sign or trade Russell (depending on price). I'd be looking to move Wideman. I'd also be looking to dump Raymond in any way possible.

LIP MAN · 01-12-2016, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

In addition to the guys in the NHL right now, something needs to be done with Nakladal. He either needs to get playing time in Calgary, or the Flames need to move him somewhere that he can get NHL time.

I can't see him re-signing with the Flames if he gets stuck in the AHL all season, and it would suck for the Flames to lose him without seeing what he can do in the NHL.

I agree. We've been very lucky to have very few injuries on the back end. Should we continue on with being a seller, we may see Nakladal soon. He's been playing well in the AHL AFAIK.

VANFLAMESFAN · 01-12-2016, 06:08 PM

I hate the message it sends the guys who have been busting their ass for 50 plus games that management would rather give up for a pick that could turn into trash than try and continue to fight what you have been fighting for all season.

I get the other side and know what people would respond to this. I just don't like or agree with it. To me, selling 2-3 veterans who can certainly add more than their replacements is management giving up and hoping for the best and I hate that mentality. Play to win in the moment and deal with your assets in the offseason.

Probably why I'd make a horrible GM.

Fire of the Phoenix · 01-12-2016, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I hate the message it sends the guys who have been busting their ass for 50 plus games that management would rather give up for a pick that could turn into trash than try and continue to fight what you have been fighting for all season.

I get the other side and know what people would respond to this. I just don't like or agree with it. To me, selling 2-3 veterans who can certainly add more than their replacements is management giving up and hoping for the best and I hate that mentality. Play to win in the moment and deal with your assets in the offseason.

Probably why I'd make a horrible GM.

That message gets sent to rebuilding teams every single year, I wouldn't worry. The Flames aren't ready for prime time, no sense in trying to force it.

Ashasx · 01-12-2016, 06:19 PM

IMO the team gets better if we trade Russell.

If he's worth anything in a trade, that's just a bonus.

Huntingwhale · 01-12-2016, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I hate the message it sends the guys who have been busting their ass for 50 plus games that management would rather give up for a pick that could turn into trash than try and continue to fight what you have been fighting for all season.

I get the other side and know what people would respond to this. I just don't like or agree with it. To me, selling 2-3 veterans who can certainly add more than their replacements is management giving up and hoping for the best and I hate that mentality. Play to win in the moment and deal with your assets in the offseason.

Probably why I'd make a horrible GM.

Ok, see 2009-2013 Flames to see how that kind of loyalty works out. Certain exception can be made (last season was worth keeping our UFAs). But we're in 5th last. 26th place. Literally the only reason we are close to a playoff spot is because we play in the Pacific and the divisional format. If we had the old conference playoff format, the GM would be run out of town if he kept the UFAs on the 26th place team.

Vets need to be moved, even if we are in a playoff spot. We're in no position to be seeing this season as a cup run. To me Treliving seems like ''cut throat'' kind of guy. He'll do what needs to be done. That's incredibly refreshing and the kind of leadership this organization has desperately needed for over a decade.

Lanny_McDonald · 01-12-2016, 06:25 PM

Hudler, Jones, and Russell should all be heading out of town for whatever you can get. One of Hiller and Ramo should be dealt, if possible. If you can make a deal I'd be more than willing to move Wideman, Backlund and Bouma as well. Could get you a good prospect in return. Also, if you can find a sucker for Raymond, make it so.

Flames Draft Watcher · 01-12-2016, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I hate the message it sends the guys who have been busting their ass for 50 plus games that management would rather give up for a pick that could turn into trash than try and continue to fight what you have been fighting for all season.

I get the other side and know what people would respond to this. I just don't like or agree with it. To me, selling 2-3 veterans who can certainly add more than their replacements is management giving up and hoping for the best and I hate that mentality. Play to win in the moment and deal with your assets in the offseason.

Probably why I'd make a horrible GM.

Yep those picks we got for Glencross sure turned into trash (part of Dougie Hamilton) and man giving up on the season really cost us there as we got to the 2nd round without him.

UFA status is a reality that Treliving deals with. He can lose players for nothing, sign them or he can trade them. 2nd and 3rd round picks are far from trash. He can use them to pick excellent prospects or he could trade them for established NHLers. They are a valuable commodity, the exact opposite of trash in fact. Assuming they are trash is a slap to the face of our scouts who have shown themselves to be quite solid in the past 5 drafts IMO.

Losing all our UFAs for nothing and still missing the playoffs = more trash than trading them for picks.

I doubt most would advocate trading away all our UFAs if we're still in the playoff race but its starting to look like we'll fall out and some of the guys we're talking about trading we're not going to be significantly worse off without. And dealing guys near the end of the season allows us to audition young players for the season after which can be very useful in the long term development of said players and the continuing progression of the team. Right now we've got 7 guys who can play top 6 defense in the NHL and a guy in the minors who can probably play top 6-7 right now as well. So Treliving can certainly deal a defenseman and not really miss him.