...Crawford has played lights out in the playoffs when needed and I can't name a playoff series they lost because of him. Terrible comparison.
I agree that the comparison with Crawford is probably not a good one. But it bears pointing out that like Crawford, the Flames have never lost a playoff series because of Ramo.
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Since the last couple of posts have had suggestions who the flames should trade for, i will throw in my 2 cents. Syemon Varlamov of the Av's. Can't see the Av's as a budget team being able to aford him with some of the raises they have to hand out. Varly is a very good goaltender but is injury prone. His contract i think goes until 2019 which is not bad considering his age.
Just under no circumstances trade or sign a goalie that has more than two years remaining on a contract. Our goaltending prospects are among the best in the league, but a certain way to stall progress is to limit their icetime. A playoff goalie is nice, but I'd take a 30% chance of developing a championship goalie over that in a heartbeat.
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Just under no circumstances trade or sign a goalie that has more than two years remaining on a contract. Our goaltending prospects are among the best in the league, but a certain way to stall progress is to limit their icetime. A playoff goalie is nice, but I'd take a 30% chance of developing a championship goalie over that in a heartbeat.
It takes time to develop a goaltender. Gilles imo is going to be the #1 but the fastest i see that happening is 3 years from now. He is out for this season, needs a full year in the AHL next year, a year at back-up in the NHL, and then just maybe he is ready for full starter after that.
I'm still trying to get a guy like Jimmy Howard, if I'm in management.
Veteran goalie with solid starter numbers over his career.
3 years left @ $5.3 million, which gives Gillies/McDonald the chance to develop.
Let Ortio play as the back up, and if he proves to be solid at the NHL level, then you have an asset to trade later on (either Howard or Ortio, decide if it happens).
...and from Detroit's perspective, Mrazek is 23, and due for a big raise as he's an RFA at seasons end. They can't afford to keep both, and will very likely keep the younger of the two.
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I say we jettison Ramo to sign Niklas Backstrom. Then we sign Nicklas Backstrsom and play him on a line with Mikael Backlund. Then we wait for the elusive NicklBack(goal) MiklBack (asst), NiklBack (asst) score, which is a secret achievement recognized by the NHL. If a team does it, Gary Bettman comes out and forces the team’s arch-rivals to sit through an entire Nickelback concert.
Or we could do none of that and focus on getting an actual #1 goalie, which would involve none of Niklas Backstrom, Mikael Backlund, Nicklas Backstrom, or Kari Ramo. Gary Bettman and Nickelback may still possibly be involved since coming by a #1 goalie has always been really tough for the Flames and who knows what it will take.
His numbers are pretty good for the small amount of games played. But those numbers are while playing in front of arguably the 2 best defences in the NHL.
He is small in terms of size for goalies in today's NHL. 6'...
I'd be very disappointed if the Flames went for broke on him and overpay. He could easily turn out no better than what we have now.
Ramo is playing solid hockey right now. Can he continue to improve? If he does, you have to consider re-signing him.
The right goalie will come along. It's a matter of being patient.
That goalie could be Raanta. But to throw top picks at NYR and prospects now, which it would cost, is a bit premature I feel.
Crawford is a two time Stanley Cup winner and on his worst day is as good as a typical Ramo start. Crawford has played lights out in the playoffs when needed and I can't name a playoff series they lost because of him. Terrible comparison.
Not really when his entire career he's been labelled as not a true NHL starter and every series the commentators place the ? on Crawford. Terribly obtuse.
First of all, this is a decision for after the season, when we have his entire body of work to judge.
But more than that, I think the OP has put this decision backwards: both Ramo and Hiller are UFAs at the end of the year. Therefore, the Flames are in a position to start with a clean slate.
What they should do is start fresh and try to acquire the best goalies possible. If that falls to Ramo at some point, and he is the next best option, then sure.
But it shouldn't be about how this season went - that is irrelevant. It's a business - the only thing that should matter to the Flames is acquiring the best possible options for the position going forward.
If the Flames do re-sign Ramo I just wish they would stop overpaying him. He's not worth more than a $2.5 million, unless he has a great finish to this season.
If the Flames do re-sign Ramo I just wish they would stop overpaying him. He's not worth more than a $2.5 million, unless he has a great finish to this season.
Ramo reportedly had offers elsewhere last summer so the Flames had to give him extra to stay. In the grand scheme of things, the dollars don't matter since it was a 1-year deal anyway.
I agree he's not worth that dough, but the Flames needed an NHL goalie. Can you imagine if they ran with Ortio and Hiller?
Not really when his entire career he's been labelled as not a true NHL starter and every series the commentators place the ? on Crawford. Terribly obtuse.
Since when has Crawford not been labelled as a true NHL starter? Because he wasn't a big name young goaltender he's always had people questioning if he's a mediocre goaltender playing behind a good team and while a few average goaltenders have won Stanley cups how many have won multiple?
The Hawks play the game the right way and don't clog up the neutral zone so their goaltenders can get exposed but overall his numbers are very good annually. He's not top 5 or anything but he's better than anything the Flames have had since Kipper by a long shot and arguably no worse than Kipper in the back half of his career.
Not really when his entire career he's been labelled as not a true NHL starter and every series the commentators place the ? on Crawford. Terribly obtuse.
Where has anyone questioned whether Crawford is a true starter?
He should have a Conn Smythe trophy, if you ask me. He was unreal in 2013.
Hypothetical question, if Ramo leads the Flames to the playoffs this year, do the Flames resign him in the summer?
The goalie UFA market in the summer is pretty weak and trading for an upgrade in net is never easy; although there could be some potential trade targets available (Howard in Detroit & Bishop in Tampa Bay).
Curious what people think in this hypothetical situation.
Below is the list of notable UFA goalies
-Cam Ward
-Jonas Hiller
-Karri Ramo
-Niklas Backstrom
-James Reimer
-Anton Khudobin
-Antti Raanta
-Cam Talbot
If he can stretch out his recent play of the last 4-5 games for the rest of the season, I would have zero problem re-signing Ramo. That crop of UFA's ain't great.
Ward? Hasn't looked good in years. Hell no.
Hiller? Doesn't even look like an AHL-quality goaltender this year. Hell no.
Backstrom? He'll be 38 and has worse stats than Ramo the last 2 years. Hell no.
Reimer? Looks good so far this season but is injury prone. And if you think Ramo is inconsistent, Reimer will drive you crazy. Maybe, for a right price.
Khudobin? His last decent season was over 3 years ago and he'll be 30. Maybe as a 1B or backup, but not true starter material. No thanks.
Raanta? Here's a guy I'd take a flyer on. Right age, solid stats in limited action, comes from good organizations. Probably be a bit of a bidding war for his services though.
Talbot? Already lost the starting job In Edmonton, worse stats than Ramo. Nah.
In a perfect world Ortio or Gillies would be ready. But Ortio has been extremely underwhelming and Gillies is done for the season. So unless BT brings in a guy via trade (Bishop, Bernier, Andersen, etc.) or we win on Raanta, there's not a lot of upgrades out there.
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I am interested in Ramo as a backup next year, at backup money. Maybe $2 million. He has shown he can be an adequate starter when called upon which is what you want in a backup. I don't believe they guy would be a starter on any other NHL team so if he won't take backup money let him walk.
Hiller is done. I don't trust Ortio enough to hand him an NHL backup spot. He has a lot to prove in Stockton.
