Montreal to Begin Dumping Untreated Sewage into the St. Lawrence

[GGG]

The environmental impacts of this short term dumping are minimal. They are setting monitoring to be able to observe and repair. Seems reasonable

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Thor

Man I've never seen Canada so partisan since near and after this election. I really hope we are not going the way of the states. My friends back in Calgary are constantly blasting anything they can and blaming the Liberals.

Been that way for least a decade but slowly amping up. This place is pretty tame, take a look at the Sun or CBC comment sections, just a cesspool of rabid partisans saying some pretty vile things.

[Jacks]

Meanwhle in Nova Scotia they can't dump water used to wash vegetables.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...nada-1.3301476

About 100 seasonal workers are losing their jobs at an Annapolis Valley frozen food processing plant that will close after Environment Canada ordered it to stop discharging waste water into a nearby waterway.

Hillaton Foods, a division of Oxford Frozen Foods Ltd. that primarily processes carrots for the North American market, is shutting down its facility near Canning, N.S., at the end of the year.

Oxford says Hillaton operated under a provincial permit and that a study done for the company showed waste water from the facility did not harm the environment and there was "no measurable impact on water quality in the Habitant estuary."

However, Environment Canada issued an order prohibiting the company from discharging into tidal waters after Dec. 31, according to the company.

The issue is the provincial and federal governments use different testing methods, according to Burkhardt.

The province tests diluted waste water within the estuary, he says. Under the federal regime, Burkhardt says, stickleback fish are placed in undiluted waste water and must survive for 72 hours.

Burkhardt said the organics in the undiluted sample "take up" much of the oxygen in the water, suffocating the fish. He says it does not reflect what happens in the estuary.

"If you go to the end of where the pipe is disposed into the bay, there's actually fish swimming and actually it's a main fishing hole for many of the locals," said Burkhardt.

[Frequitude]

While gross, I don't think this is that big of a deal. That is a tiny volume compared to the flow of the St Lawrence and it is probably made up of matter that will biodegrade pretty quickly with no medium or long term effects.

However, I question the need. If the oil and gas industry can tie in to operating lines containing explosive hydrocarbons running at high temperature and high pressure, then surely it is possible to tie in a bypass to a freaking sewage line.

Also, the Liberal/Conservative debate in here is ridiculous. Nothing more than opportunistic partisan noise. Give it a break.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Been that way for least a decade but slowly amping up. This place is pretty tame, take a look at the Sun or CBC comment sections, just a cesspool of rabid partisans saying some pretty vile things.

Maybe its just me, but on FB people who never talk politics have become really partisan lately, I expect it from my more political friends back in Canada but wow so many of my other friends its become like a republican light reaction to everything Trudeau does, eerily reminds me of when Obama took power.

Mind you nothing was as crazy as that.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Thor

Maybe its just me, but on FB people who never talk politics have become really partisan lately, I expect it from my more political friends back in Canada but wow so many of my other friends its become like a republican light reaction to everything Trudeau does, eerily reminds me of when Obama took power.

Mind you nothing was as crazy as that.

Depends who your friends are. I've seen a lot of "Justin Can do no Wrong" sentiment floating around too. On social media and normal media.

The women ministers hubbub is perfect. He didn't do anything groundbreaking, yet so many people are praising him for it. Big whoop, women ministers.

[Jacks]

Maybe you are just noticing more it now because it's aimed at Trudeau?
People have been over the top with comments about Harper for years now.

[Thor]

Possible for sure, but this last election seems to have brought up a partisanship I've not noticed before, yeah an occasional Harper comment here and there and of course from my many AB friends lots of shots at the NDP in Alberta and Liberals last few months.

Its just the nastiness of it is something new to me, I'm talking friends that have known each other for decades getting in nasty back and forths.

Hope I'm wrong, that this is just the heat of an election and it goes away and Canadians become a bit more civil again like we are known for.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Depends who your friends are. I've seen a lot of "Justin Can do no Wrong" sentiment floating around too. On social media and normal media.

The women ministers hubbub is perfect. He didn't do anything groundbreaking, yet so many people are praising him for it. Big whoop, women ministers.

Meh the 50/50 split is being made a big deal out in media, even Iceland news reported it. For me the part that brings me joy is a minister of science, and people in positions that are people who actually should be there, like a doctor for ministry of health, etc..

I hate political appointments, Iceland's politics is full of that, our recent foreign minister has rarely left the country and was given the appointment because of his fathers legacy.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Been that way for least a decade but slowly amping up. This place is pretty tame, take a look at the Sun or CBC comment sections, just a cesspool of rabid partisans saying some pretty vile things.

Oh and comment sections are never an indicator of reality. Its the worst of us, nothing more. The internet breeds this anonymous nastiness, this has nothing to do with politics but the ugly side of humanity when it has no face and can be hidden away.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

There is a good thread on Reddit about this and I'll just quote what I read

Reading that, I think the math is a little off. I got .021% (3.54/16800 = 0.0002107, or 0.02107%), which equates to ~211 ppm (whereas the incorrect calculation gives ~2 ppm).

Not sure that makes a difference in the end result but the values are a bit off.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Thor

Meh the 50/50 split is being made a big deal out in media, even Iceland news reported it. For me the part that brings me joy is a minister of science, and people in positions that are people who actually should be there, like a doctor for ministry of health, etc..

I hate political appointments, Iceland's politics is full of that, our recent foreign minister has rarely left the country and was given the appointment because of his fathers legacy.

You really think having Kirsty Duncan as the Science Minster is a good appointment, and that she's someone who "should be there?"

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Dagger

You really think having Kirsty Duncan as the Science Minster is a good appointment, and that she's someone who "should be there?"

Yes. Leadership and a background in science seems good. Much better than many previous appointees, wouldn't you agree?


Edit: Here's the salient point: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...service=mobile

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Yes. Leadership and a background in science seems good. Much better than many previous appointees, wouldn't you agree?

Did you bother to read the article? Merely being a scientist isn't a qualification. With Duncan, there are legitimate concerns about her ability to work with a team, not to mention highly questionable, if not ignorant scientific beliefs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Dagger

You really think having Kirsty Duncan as the Science Minster is a good appointment, and that she's someone who "should be there?"

So, because she was involved in experimental research that went against the mainstream, she is less qualified?

For every scientific breakthrough, there are probably as many experimental studies that don't pan out.

I don't understand the criticism here, except that some people think she is to strong in the way she manages. Nothing in there would suggest that she isn't qualified.

Harper had 10 years. How about we give this government more than a week?

Back to the original topic, I just find it funny that this has happened when Harper was in power. When the Liberals take over and they tell Montreal that they must take additional mitigation measures before releasing the sewage, it suddenly becomes a negative story for some people to harp on the government.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Not true, ladies don't poop.

Nope, they poop but don't fart.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Did you bother to read the article? Merely being a scientist isn't a qualification. With Duncan, there are legitimate concerns about her ability to work with a team, not to mention highly questionable, if not ignorant scientific beliefs.

I did read it. You think she's unfit to lead because a previous colleague (who later wrote as the lead on the expedition himself as he wanted) and his daughter didn't like how she dressed or how she was "emotional"?

Her questionable belief was shared and still is by many others. We can play this charade with any given candidate.

Despite the National Post unsurprising attempt at a smear job, Trudeau chose a scientist who had led many projects, and was part of a Nobel Prize winning organization on Climate change.



Again, she's very qualified and far more than many, many previous ministers. Remember when Harper appointed a creationist chiropractor? Was your outrage so strong?

[Simon96Taco]

The belugas are gonna love it.

[To Be Quite Honest]

The turd is fine, but it's the mass amount of prescription drugs going into the river that will cause the most damage... And the condoms.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dagger

You really think having Kirsty Duncan as the Science Minster is a good appointment, and that she's someone who "should be there?"

Well,

1. We have a Science minister finally, yay!
2. Harper did everything to muzzle and direct science to be beneficial to business and muzzle those who would challenge it.
3. http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/...al-indictment/

We have come out of a dark age in government science. The gag orders, the cutting and promoting "business science" has been a long list of a frankly scary approach by the previous government. A Republican approach if you will on science, silence, unfund, promote business people in science positions...

Of all the things people criticize the PC government for, the crap that has happened against science policy in Canada and the environment is so damning even Nature covered it, which is not exactly a partisan magazine.