President Barack Obama rejects KXL: WSJ

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Perhaps Uncle Sam should be looking at his own global emissions? (USA: 19% of global emissions. Canada: just 2%)

2% for a highly developed country, heavy into manufacturing and resource development, and that is frozen basically half the year is not too bad in my book.

I agree, not saying it's rational, but perception is reality. We failed miserably.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bunk

^ Canada never gave Obama enough political cover to approve it in the face of very vocal and growing opposition on his party's base.

the only political cover that would have been acceptable to him is if we crippled our industry and our exports so that he could brag that he reformed Canada's emission rules, then everyone could ignore that he's done little to nothing on his side, oh except sinking money into green companies that went out of business.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I agree, not saying it's rational, but perception is reality. We failed miserably.

no, we failed miserably because we went up against a guy that dictated unrealistic expectations on a foreign nation.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Per capita, it's pretty much identical.

That's true. But I say again, Canada is highly industrialized, heavy into manufacturing and resource development, but the kicker is that Canada is humongous, and frozen for long stretches.

Do you know a single person in any part of Canada who didn't use their furnace last year? In 2014 I didn't use heating in my home in California AT ALL. And I'm not the only one. Canadians need energy to keep from freezing to death, that is a reality.

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by Bunk

^ Canada never gave Obama enough political cover to approve it in the face of very vocal and growing opposition on his party's base.

It's Obama and the Democrats catering to their uninformed far left base. I'll give the environmental base credit for their PR work though very uninformed, very conflicted and wrongly targeting Canada. Canada and oil industry could have combated better just not sure how. How does reason deal with the irrational?


Canada is 2% of global GHG and oilsands is 0.15%. Keystone is a fraction of that and safer mode than railcar which will now be the swing transport method without sufficient pipeline takeaway capacity. If Obama was serious about climate change and not being political he'd clean up his own backyard and focus on other countries.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

no, we failed miserably because we went up against a guy that dictated unrealistic expectations on a foreign nation.

So Canada played no part in this whatsoever?

[OldDutch]

I hope that now Trudeau is in office he does two things. Firstly, he realizes that the only way we are getting our billions to stay in Canada and not send them to the US is to build pipe to our shores. Screw the US they always have and will look out for themselves, and this just action proves it. We have to start looking to diversify and now.

Second pull those jets out of Syria now. That is a favor of goodwill that does little for Canada and really only helps legitimize the US. Let them go alone and take the flack on the world stage.

Canadians have to start growing a spine. It's fun to be polite and all but I hope people are going to wake up one day and face facts. The US has built 10 times the length of pipeline Keystone was to be since 2010. The US isn't doing this for anything less than economic reasons, sad to see Canadians being so easily fooled otherwise.

http://calgaryherald.com/storyline/a...-said-anything

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

That's true. But I say again, Canada is highly industrialized, heavy into manufacturing and resource development, but the kicker is that Canada is humongous, and frozen for long stretches.

Do you know a single person in any part of Canada who didn't use their furnace last year? In 2014 I didn't use heating in my home in California AT ALL. And I'm not the only one. Canadians need energy to keep from freezing to death, that is a reality.

Air Conditioning.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Air Conditioning.

Very limited use.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I agree, not saying it's rational, but perception is reality. We failed miserably.

I think your being naive about national interests in politics, Thousands of miles of oil pipelines were built during his regime. As long as they involved US jobs And U.S. Businesses there was not a word or law raised against them.

This has nothing to do with environmental policy. The Obama regime signalled its early intent with the "Buy USA" provisions and stuck to it. His presidency has generally been very bad for Canadian business and jobs.

Of course, nothing wrong with that from a U.S. Perspective, he was not elected by Canadians

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Air Conditioning.

This summer was ridiculous. Awesome from a weather perspective, but ridiculous.

I've never used air conditioning more in my life.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

So Canada played no part in this whatsoever?

It wouldn't have mattered who Canada's Prime Minister was or what was offered, I'm convinced that Obama would have put the kybosh on this unless Canada agreed to something like stopping Oil Sands production.

Obama wanted us to change our Environmental policy not in lock step with American policy because he's not really doing much internal, but to please him.

could Canada have been more progressive in terms of working on their emissions stuff? Sure, but that's been a failure of the Conservatives and the liberals before them who both made big promises and then promptly forgot the file and did nothing.

but frankly unless Canada was willing to outbid Obama's backers this was never getting approved unless Canada radically changed their energy production policies to please Obama.

[DuffMan]

Sounds like Captain Crunch would prefer if one of the Kochs were POTUS.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

I think your being naive about national interests in politics, Thousands of miles of oil pipelines were built during his regime. As long as they involved US jobs And U.S. Businesses there was not a word or law raised against them.

Generally the Obama regime signalled its early intent with the "Buy USA" provisions and stuck to it. His presidency has generally been very bad for Canadian business and jobs.

No, I disagree. I think Keystone was almost a pure political issue, not one of economic competitiveness.

[MacDaddy77]

Canada has it's own internal problems to deal with first. Why do we expect another country to develop pipelines when we can't even get one through our own country.

We have a national energy board in place to allow for uninterrupted transport of energy resources however Energy East is still held up. for once I'd like the NEB to tell Quebec STFU, the pipeline is for the betterment of the entire country and it's going in, like it or not. /rant on QC

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It wouldn't have mattered who Canada's Prime Minister was or what was offered, I'm convinced that Obama would have put the kybosh on this unless Canada agreed to something like stopping Oil Sands production.

Obama wanted us to change our Environmental policy not in lock step with American policy because he's not really doing much internal, but to please him.

could Canada have been more progressive in terms of working on their emissions stuff? Sure, but that's been a failure of the Conservatives and the liberals before them who both made big promises and then promptly forgot the file and did nothing.

but frankly unless Canada was willing to outbid Obama's backers this was never getting approved unless Canada radically changed their energy production policies to please Obama.

So in your mind, a pipeline designed to bring oil from oil sands projects to US refineries would have only been acceptable to the Americans if Canada shut down the oil sands which would feed the proposed pipeline?






Really?

[Bunk]

It wasn't Obama that made Keystone the symbol of climate change problems, it was environmental activists that managed to bring it into the mainstream. He then had to handle the issue as such. It was the lowest of low hanging fruits "the dirtiest oil" on earth and so forth. Canada a "laggard" on emissions comittments, etc.

If the pipeline never became that symbol, the project would have been quietly approved years ago (like many other projects).

[polak]

That damn Obama, how dare he does what his people want and not what a completely different country wants.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Sounds like Captain Crunch would prefer if one of the Kochs were POTUS.

clearly not, but whatever.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by polak

That damn Obama, how dare he does what his people want and not what a completely different country wants.

you mean the 63% figure in a poll that actually wanted Keystone approved?