Notes from Nov 2 Practice: Ramo starts vs Avs

[Coach]

Originally Posted by saillias

Shouldn't be a surprise to him after his stinkers vs NYI and Habs. All he had to do was not be terrible, and not lose us the game. Well, here we are.

He's likely to be on waivers next unless he pulls out a win before Hiller gets back. And he'd clear too

Yeah. I'm an Ortio supporter, but he had good chances to show he could help this team's goaltending issue and did not run with it. Ramo playing ahead of him is his own doing now.

[ScorchyScorch]

It's too soon to crap on Ortio.

He came in pretty cold in comparison to the other two and is a rookie. Under pressure to stay in the crease when he was on a short leash, and pressure to turn the team around. I'd like to see him in at least 3 more games before determining if waivers should happen. I'd bet he starts to turn it around over those games on an individual level if they're given.

Like Frolik said after last game after he broke out, confidence is a crucial part of the game for players.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

It's too soon to crap on Ortio.

He came in pretty cold in comparison to the other two and is a rookie. Under pressure to stay in the crease when he was on a short leash, and pressure to turn the team around. I'd like to see him in at least 3 more games before determining if waivers should happen. I'd bet he starts to turn it around over those games on an individual level if they're given.

Like Frolik said after last game after he broke out, confidence is a crucial part of the game for players.

I dont think anyone is really crapping on Ortio, he just got a raw deal. We're playing like crap and everyone wanted Ortio in, he finally gets his shot and we're all hoping he turns the whole crap sandwich around aaaaaaaand no dice.

Not his fault, theres plenty of crap sandwich for everyone.

[heep223]

Yeah Ortio needs a good stretch of games to try and get into a groove, hopefully with a team that's playing better in front of him.

[Strange Brew]

If Ramo plays well for a stretch, Flames will have an interesting decision to make when Hiller comes back. I suspect they would send Ortio down. A team would have to be in tank mode to claim him and commit to him as the backup for the entire season. But I guess there are a few of those.

Or do you keep 3 goalies around again? That worked so well.

Maybe you could actually trade Ortio for a pick.

If Ramo stinks, decision is easier and he gets sent down again.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Ramo plays well for a stretch, Flames will have an interesting decision to make when Hiller comes back. I suspect they would send Ortio down. A team would have to be in tank mode to claim him and commit to him as the backup for the entire season. But I guess there are a few of those.

Or do you keep 3 goalies around again? That worked so well.

Maybe you could actually trade Ortio for a pick.

If Ramo stinks, decision is easier and he gets sent down again.

I think if Ortio gets put on waivers someone will claim. He's still young and cheap.

Ramo and Hiller are expensive so no one is picking them up off waivers. Hell, that could be part of the reason Brad gave Ramo so much money. To scare off other teams if he needed to send him down.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If Ramo plays well for a stretch, Flames will have an interesting decision to make when Hiller comes back. I suspect they would send Ortio down. A team would have to be in tank mode to claim him and commit to him as the backup for the entire season. But I guess there are a few of those.

Or do you keep 3 goalies around again? That worked so well.

Maybe you could actually trade Ortio for a pick.

If Ramo stinks, decision is easier and he gets sent down again.

Before going down with injury Hiller wasn't doing much better than Ramo if anything he was just as bad. Might see the Flames place him on waivers because his name might be somewhat more attractive to teams looking for goalie help than Ramo's. It will definitely be interesting when the time comes for sure.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont think anyone is really crapping on Ortio, he just got a raw deal. We're playing like crap and everyone wanted Ortio in, he finally gets his shot and we're all hoping he turns the whole crap sandwich around aaaaaaaand no dice.

Not his fault, theres plenty of crap sandwich for everyone.

It's not crapping on him or giving up on him to say he just straight up didn't play well in his games. I don't know how many were expecting him to completely turn it around, just hoping he would show to be at least a slight improvement on the others. He didn't when he got his shot. He's a confident guy, he's a smart guy, I'm sure he was well aware that he had to have a good couple games, particularly against MTL, to shore up his spot in the rotation. Even if they still lost, no doubt in my mind Hartley would have kept him in if he had a strong showing. Ramo wins (despite not playing all that great) and Hartley has no choice but to stick by his code, even if he doesn't want to (not saying he doesn't).

Ortio will get more chances, but that was a big moment for him and he didn't cut it.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

I'm hoping the plan is to give Ramo a string of starts to see if he can get into a groove and become the 1A starter. If he fails, he gets waived when Hiller comes back. If he succeeds, send Hiller down to the AHL. Once that decision is made, give Ortio another chance to prove himself. Hopefully by that time the team will be playing consistent and confident hockey.

Might be wishful thinking, but I think its plausible.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I'm hoping the plan is to give Ramo a string of starts to see if he can get into a groove and become the 1A starter. If he fails, he gets waived when Hiller comes back. If he succeeds, send Hiller down to the AHL. Once that decision is made, give Ortio another chance to prove himself. Hopefully by that time the team will be playing consistent and confident hockey.

Might be wishful thinking, but I think its plausible.

Actually thats not a bad idea. I mean, playing Russian Roulette with our goalies isnt getting us anywhere.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah. I'm an Ortio supporter, but he had good chances to show he could help this team's goaltending issue and did not run with it. Ramo playing ahead of him is his own doing now.

Just terrible asset management to put a guy you have under control for the next few years so you can stick with two below average goalies who are FA after this year.

The team loses nothing if either Ramo or Hiller is claimed since they have shown they are not better than average at best. Ortio makes next to nothing and he's under control for years to come.

[dammage79]

You have to give the goalie who gets a win the start. Let's not pretend though that 4 GAA against the Oilers was a good thing though. Still some very real issues to iron out. The way it is going the Flames still need to score 5 a game for a chance to win.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Just terrible asset management to put a guy you have under control for the next few years so you can stick with two below average goalies who are FA after this year.

The team loses nothing if either Ramo or Hiller is claimed since they have shown they are not better than average at best. Ortio makes next to nothing and he's under control for years to come.

Yeah not on board with waiving him because I completely agree. Regardless of what's gone on so far, Ortio is still more likely to be claimed that either of the other two.

That doesn't mean that, in the context of the what has transpired over the last few days, that Ramo shouldn't be starting tonight. Win your in has been how it has been since Hartley came here. Ortio didn't use his shot, he'll get another.

[saXon]

For some reason I've never been an Ortio fan. I've been waiting patiently for Gillies to develop since his draft day, and I haven't been disappointed thus far.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Agreed. A teams like the Leafs or Sabres would aren't legitimately thinking playoffs this year and either don't have a long term goalie (Leafs) or don't yet know if they have a long term goalie (Sabres) would have to be snoozing to not claim Ortio.

Leafs wouldn't put in a claim unless one of Reimer or Bernier get traded. They are both reasonably young tenders as well. Doubt they would want to have a 3 headed monster themselves. Stranger things have happened, but I personally would be surprised if the claim came from the Leafs, though not very surprised if another team (like the Sabers you mentioned) put in a claim.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

#Flames lines this AM:
Jooris-Stajan-Frolik;
Colborne-Monahan-Hudler;
Gaudreau-Bennett-Jones;
Bollig-Backlund-Raymond

That is one fugly 4th line.

[heep223]

Could see Stajan and Frolik with some chemistry. Similar players. Still really like Colborne and Monahan together.

[The Yen Man]

Yikes, just heard on the Fan, Flames save % collectively is something like .865? Man, that is terrible. We need to get Scrivens so he can turn into Dubnyk 2.0 and save our season this year!

[Finger Cookin]

Scrivens has an .857 save percentage and a 4.57 GAA in two games in the AHL this season. So..

[FiveSeven]

He doesn't have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been up for 30 days.
We should still have some time by the time Hiller is back to decide unless the injury is worse than we think. But the easiest thing would obviously be to demote Ramo unless he turns out godly.