Which goalie do you start against the Avalanche?

[Inferno]

Ramo, he didn't make any big saves but he didn't let in any bad stinkers either and got the win so he gets the next game.

[EVERLAST]

Cam Ward

[tvp2003]

Need a win? Start a Finn... er, nevermind.

Ramo until he loses. He didn't look bad against Edmonton -- you hope he can stop that first goal, but when it's tipped all bets are off. Sometimes goalies need a little puck luck too.

The Davidson goal was a rocket right underneath the bar, blocker side. Carey Price doesn't stop that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I WAS one of the biggest Ortio supporters on this forum.

10 times out of 10 you go with Ramo.

You were a huge Ortio supporter. Giving up on him after 2 starts?

[calgarygeologist]

I would go with Ortio assuming that it has been decided the team will go with Hiller and Ortio. Ramo didn't lose the last game but it certainly doesn't make him the "hot" goalie right now.

[adc]

Ortio

Ramo didn't let any stinkers in but he didn't make any big saves either. The team won in spite of him not because of him.

Sure Ortio was bad last time out but he still has potential to turn into something positive he should be getting as many chances as possible now not giving up starts to Ramo who we already know is no good.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You were a huge Ortio supporter. Giving up on him after 2 starts?

that isn't giving up on him

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by adc

Ortio. Ramo didn't let any stinkers in but he didn't make any big saves either. The team won in spite of him not because of him.

Sure Ortio was bad last time out but he still has potential to turn into something positive he should be getting as many chances as possible now not giving up starts to Ramo who we already know is no good.

The Flames obligation, to both the fans and the players, is to ice the best possible line up they can in an attempt to make the playoffs. On the evidence of the last starts these two goalies have given the coaching staff it is absolutely the right call to start Ramo.

Ortio looked completely overwhelmed against the Habs and it will not hurt him to watch a little bit more before being thrown back into the fire of what has become the Flames goal crease. Doing so at this point ay even destroy any confidence he has going right now.

His starts will come in due time as he is the one guy that wont be sent down to Stockton, but that doesn't mean you give him games just because. Hartley has always gone with the guy if he won his last start, and that's Ramo for this next game.

[Camronius]

Originally Posted by heep223

You know the situation is bad when the argument is "he didn't let any stinkers in, so start him next game"

I must have been watching a different game. I know the first was tipped, so I guess that's the argument? If he's tight and in position that tip doesn't and shouldn't go in, it's not like it was a good tip. To me that was a brutal goal and almost another back breaker. You guys did see that puck go right through him...... right?

IMO we won because the the other goalie was worse than ours for once.

That being said as part of the original discussion, you go with Ramo again. Ramo won and overall he was OK, which is better than most of the performances of any of our goalies this year.

[adc]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The Flames obligation, to both the fans and the players, is to ice the best possible line up they can in an attempt to make the playoffs. On the evidence of the last starts these two goalies have given the coaching staff it is absolutely the right call to start Ramo.

I would much rather they ice a team that gives them the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup at some point and for that they need to see what Ortio can or can't do.

For this year and the play-offs I have seen enough of Ramo that he doesn't give us a shot at that at all. Ortio is the better option for now and long term.

As a fan I sure hope they don't think they have any obligation to make the play-offs this year. That leads to some awful decision making.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Honest question, who is really possibly available that we could trade for or sign?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by adc

I would much rather they ice a team that gives them the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup at some point and for that they need to see what Ortio can or can't do.

For this year and the play-offs I have seen enough of Ramo that he doesn't give us a shot at that at all. Ortio is the better option for now and long term.

As a fan I sure hope they don't think they have any obligation to make the play-offs this year. That leads to some awful decision making.

They are 4 points out of a spot on the 1st day of November and you want them to abandon the idea of playing into late April?

LOL

[adc]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Honest question, who is really possibly available that we could trade for or sign?

Ward, Scrivens maybe Tokarski since Montreal went with Condon over him, one of the Dallas goalies likely Lehtonen.

Those are guys off the top of my head.

Maybe the Flyers are willing to move Mason with the way Neuvirth has played this year.

[Enoch Root]

I have already said that I think Ramo is the right call. But since this is a goalie thread, I'll post this here:

The way Hartley has handled Ortio this season has been nothing short of brutal. The kid is 24 and needs to play.

Since his start in the pre-season on Sep 24th against COL (a shut-out), he has started the following games:

Oct 1, WPG
Oct 26, NYR
Oct 30, OTT

Assuming Ramo starts next game, the earliest possible next start for Ortio is Nov 5th (and only if Ramo loses Tues, which no one wants).

Even with that, Ortio will have started 4 games in 7 weeks. And again, that is probably unlikely at this point.

With that amount of work, Ortio simply has no chance of success.

The only sensible strategy for him now is to send him down as soon as Hiller is healthy. If they lose him, they lose him. But no one is going to claim him right now.

[Toonage]

Quick correction, and this supports your argument, Hiller started against the Rangers.
Nm- I see you meant the Islanders

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Quick correction, and this supports your argument, Hiller started against the Rangers.
Nm- I see you meant the Islanders

fixed, thanks

[adc]

Originally Posted by transplant99

They are 4 points out of a spot on the 1st day of November and you want them to abandon the idea of playing into late April?

LOL

Who said anything about abandoning it?

I want them to focus on long term instead of short term.

For me 16-17, 17-18 are more important than this year so if we have to take a step back now to improve ourselves for those two years then that is what should be done.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have already said that I think Ramo is the right call. But since this is a goalie thread, I'll post this here:

The way Hartley has handled Ortio this season has been nothing short of brutal. The kid is 24 and needs to play.

Since his start in the pre-season on Sep 24th against COL (a shut-out), he has started the following games:

Oct 1, WPG
Oct 26, NYR
Oct 30, OTT

Assuming Ramo starts next game, the earliest possible next start for Ortio is Nov 5th (and only if Ramo loses Tues, which no one wants).

Even with that, Ortio will have started 4 games in 7 weeks. And again, that is probably unlikely at this point.

With that amount of work, Ortio simply has no chance of success.

The only sensible strategy for him now is to send him down as soon as Hiller is healthy. If they lose him, they lose him. But no one is going to claim him right now.

Problem is that the Heat have only played 6 games thus far...and Gillies would have had to start at least 3 of those particularly if he was playing better which right now appears to be the case.

So do you keep Ortio up and practicing everyday with NHL players or send him down to get just as many games in but practicing with AHL players?

Treliving created a bit of a conundrum when he re-signed Ramo, and it's his job to figure a way out of it...which ironically may involve trading for another G.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Problem is that the Heat have only played 6 games thus far...and Gillies would have had to start at least 3 of those particularly if he was playing better which right now appears to be the case.

So do you keep Ortio up and practicing everyday with NHL players or send him down to get just as many games in but practicing with AHL players?

Treliving created a bit of a conundrum when he re-signed Ramo, and it's his job to figure a way out of it...which ironically may involve trading for another G.

I agree with your point about Stockton (up to this point).

I am suggesting Ortio should have played more here.

Management kept him on the team. But Hartley has killed his chance for success.

Going forward, Stockton's schedule will be more normal. Having two good goalies and some competition should do them both good.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

that isn't giving up on him

Well he did say he was a huge supporter of Ortio, with "was" all in caps. So I assumed that meant he no longer supports him.

In any case, what's more interesting to me than who gets the next start is who gets sent down when Hiller is back.