Sign Johnny to a long-term deal, further evaluate Monny on a short bridge

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by FBI

I think they will get the same long term deals. They are best buds, both super valuable to the team, and they deserve it. I'm sure they'll Both be pumped with 8*6.

That would be an amazing signing.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Yeah I don't think 8 x $6m is happening, especially with Gaudreau. 64 points last year, 9 points in 7 games this year. He's not stupid, he knows if he keeps up a ppg pace for the rest of the year, he's set. 6m is a massive underpayment for a guy of his caliber. At this rate 7m x 8 is looking like the minimum, if he or the team even wants to go that long.

[N-E-B]

They're both young and wanting to win. I could see them taking slightly less pay to help the team (though not a massive pay cut).

[Enoch Root]

8 years, $50M each

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, tandem deal no question.

If Johnny is a franchise player because of his offensive skills, Monahan is one because of his all-around ability.

They get the same deals. Bridge both, or pay both. Doesn't matter.

I would guess 4.5-5.5 each.

That would be less than Hamilton, a less proven player IMO.

I believe they get between $6 and $7 per. And the Flames will take as much term as they can get. The players will want shorter term.

I really love what Hudler has done for the team and his scoring last year was not a fluke. But the Flames have too many holes still to commit big dollars to a smallish top line winger. A championship team isn't paying Jiri Hudler $6 million on their top line.

[Vinny01]

Ridiculous to think Monahan is the one that deserves the bridge deal. He played in the NHL at 18 scored 22 goals and 34pts then went on to nearly double that with 31 goals and 62pts. He is a big body 2 way C that has already been given a letter and plays the most important position upfront. I said it in another thread but this kid is the franchise player and he will be the next captain of the team.

I am of the belief we lock both these players up to 8 year deals. If we can get them for $6M that will look like absolute steals in years 4-8 when the cap is hopefully much higher and they are both among the best in the league at their positions.

Lastly the Flames set a bit of a president with the Dougie Hamilton contract. He was a very high end player coming off his elc and he got term and money. I just hope Johnny and Monahan are willing to go the full 8. I would hate to lose one or both to UFA when they are 27-28

[Zach]

7MM per year at least.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That would be less than Hamilton, a less proven player IMO.

I believe they get between $6 and $7 per. And the Flames will take as much term as they can get. The players will want shorter term.

I really love what Hudler has done for the team and his scoring last year was not a fluke. But the Flames have too many holes still to commit big dollars to a smallish top line winger. A championship team isn't paying Jiri Hudler $6 million on their top line.

I love Hudler and think his being in the Detroit system lended a lot of credibility to what management has been doing here. That being said, even with as well as he did last year he is still a "post-apex" player and teams can't afford that anymore, especially with the number of young talent the Flames have coming.

[Samonadreau]

Interesting, never would have thought of this i just assumed they would get the same deals and i still think they will but yes - Johnny is a franchise player right now but Mony being a center playing hard minutes will keep getting better as he perfects his role. And as mentionned hes got a 20 and 30 goal season. Also remember this may set the tone for the Bennet deal.

Around
6 year @ 6.5M

[RM14]

How can the flames maximize their RFA period?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That would be less than Hamilton, a less proven player IMO.



I believe they get between $6 and $7 per. And the Flames will take as much term as they can get. The players will want shorter term.

Yeah I thought about that after. Treliving is great but I suppose the deals do already have comparables on the team.

I think you're right.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by RM14

How can the flames maximize their RFA period?

I would think this would be the only RFA contract these two will sign flames will want them long term right now. But i could be wrong.

[RM14]

Can the flames sign them for 2 years, and still have RFA Rights to do an additional 8 max deal, therfore getting 10 years before UFA?

[polak]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The only value in giving them identical contracts is to send a message that they are the core long term leaders on the team, and to ensure their commitment to Calgary for the majority of their careers. Otherwise the market will set their values

This. We obviously want both of them to play as long as possible in Calgary. To do that we have to commit to both of them.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by RM14

How can the flames maximize their RFA period?

Monahan turns UFA @ 25-going-on-26 (he was 20-going-on-21 this season)
Gaudreau turns UFA @ 27 (he is 22)

Not including this season:
Gaudreau has 4 RFA Years remaining (23, 24, 25, 26)
Monahan has 4 RFA years remaining (21-22, 22-23, 23-24, 24-25)

A two year bridge for Monahan means you have 2 RFA years plus 6 UFA years you could buy.
A two-year bridge for Gaudreau means you have 2 RFA years remaining plus 6 UFA years you could buy.
An eight year deal for Monahan buys four UFA years.
An eight year deal for Gaudreau buys four UFA years.

Absolute worst case scenario is a 4 year deal for Monahan or Gaudreau, putting either player directly into UFA at first opportunity.

As for Bennett, assuming he doesn't get demoted to Junior this season, he will be an RFA at 21 (2017 offseason) and a UFA at 26 (2022 offseason).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ridiculous to think Monahan is the one that deserves the bridge deal. He played in the NHL at 18 scored 22 goals and 34pts...

I agree with everything you have said, but it really bugs me when I see this: Monahan played only five games at 18. For all intents and purposes, he was a 19-year-old NHL rookie.

[Southside]

They're both still pretty young so 8 year term might be a bit much. But if you want 8 years $50 to $52 is likely reasonable. Maybe the Oiler special would be appropriate 6 × $6?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by RM14

How can the flames maximize their RFA period?

3 year bridge deals for both would have them come up as RFAs again for the next contract, as UFA generally begins at 27 or 7 years experience. Not sure if Johnny's first season on the ELC counts as a season of experience under the CBA. So he might be able to get 4 years instead of 3 while still remaining an RFA next go round.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Monahan turns UFA @ 25-going-on-26 (he was 20-going-on-21 this season)
Gaudreau turns UFA @ 27 (he is 22)

Not including this season:
Gaudreau has 4 RFA Years remaining (23, 24, 25, 26)
Monahan has 3 RFA years remaining (21-22, 22-23, 24-25)

Whoops.
Monahan has 4 RFA years remaining (21-22, 22-23, 23-24, 24-25).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Whoops.
Monahan has 4 RFA years remaining (21-22, 22-23, 23-24, 24-25).

Doh.