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Knut · 10-13-2015, 12:15 AM

I think it speaks to Burkes Character that he was willing to defer to those in the organization that knew better.

Zevo · 10-13-2015, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

I remember asking Burke at a season ticket holder event what he thought of Johnny, and he went off about how small he was and that guys like him were unlikely to succeed in the NHL. Real snarky about it too. I bet other guys in the organization (Button?, Conroy?) had to talk Burke out of accepting a decent trade offer for Johnny. Regardless of how it went down, I'm glad they turned down those offers.

Burke maybe brash but he's not stupid. Why would he talk down a prospect and say 'guys like him were unlikely to succeed in the NHL' if he were thinking about trading him? That's the last thing he would say.

Sounds more like a guy tempering expectations and trying not to add extra pressure on a prospect.

Yoho · 10-13-2015, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zevo

Burke maybe brash but he's not stupid. Why would he talk down a prospect and say 'guys like him were unlikely to succeed in the NHL' if he were thinking about trading him? That's the last thing he would say.

Sounds more like a guy tempering expectations and trying not to add extra pressure on a prospect.

Yeah like how how he "tempered expectation" with Sven

T@T · 10-13-2015, 06:02 AM

I truly believe Burke had no idea Gaudreau could be this good and is shockingly/pleasantly surprised, I have a feeling after Feasters departure Conny and Button saved Johnny from Mr. "I like big".

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-13-2015, 06:42 AM

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I was actually at that event too and I agree with how Conroy4Mayor felt about Burke's comment. I felt the same way and was terrified that he was going to eventually deal Johnny.

Yes, well thank goodness that Burke has all these people he hired or chose to keep on his management team to save him from himself.

btimbit · 10-13-2015, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hesla

I think it speaks to Burkes Character that he was willing to defer to those in the organization that knew better.

For sure. If Burke was like some people here think he is wouldn't he have just traded Johnny anyway?

Erick Estrada · 10-13-2015, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

I remember asking Burke at a season ticket holder event what he thought of Johnny, and he went off about how small he was and that guys like him were unlikely to succeed in the NHL. Real snarky about it too. I bet other guys in the organization (Button?, Conroy?) had to talk Burke out of accepting a decent trade offer for Johnny. Regardless of how it went down, I'm glad they turned down those offers.

That's just Burke being Burke. You can really only believe half he says in the media or public because he's always keeping some of the truth close to the vest. Also he doesn't give any young player a free ride. It was no different with Sven Baertschi and it appears Burke was right with him. Your theory on Connie and Button begging Burke not to trade Gaudreau is plausible but at the same time we know Burke drives a hard bargain in trades (seems to win most of them) and doesn't give up assets easily so it's just as possible that it was Burke that deemed the offers good but not good enough.

Bingo · 10-13-2015, 07:16 AM

too add to that ...

my wife and I had the same conversation with him, but he then added. Look I hope he's great, but we've got to stop being our own PR machine. let these kids be who they are.

I think he was directly combatting the "best player out side the NHL" stuff that was the norm with Feaster in control

Major Major · 10-13-2015, 07:30 AM

I chuckle when people bemoan the praiseless nature of Burke. Is that his job? Is this freaking Edmonton?

The man has found a strategy that works for him and it is not even new. Don't praise players in the media who haven't accomplished much yet. Seems like it works.

T@T · 10-13-2015, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Major Major

I chuckle when people bemoan the praiseless nature of Burke. Is that his job? Is this freaking Edmonton?

The man has found a strategy that works for him and it is not even new. Don't praise players in the media who haven't accomplished much yet. Seems like it works.

What? What works?, leaving Toronto and Vancouver with no prospects or the fluky cup win in Anaheim?. He's a blowhard that gets a large salary from the flames for doing absolutely nothing. And that's when he decides to grace us with his presence in our city.

I hope the powers of be finally see threw his BS and fire his ass.

Conroy4Mayor · 10-13-2015, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

too add to that ...

my wife and I had the same conversation with him, but he then added. Look I hope he's great, but we've got to stop being our own PR machine. let these kids be who they are.

I think he was directly combatting the "best player out side the NHL" stuff that was the norm with Feaster in control

Right, but Johnny had just finished dominating the World Championship with high caliber NHL players. Burke was trying to suggest that "letting Johnny be who he was", was in fact a career minor leaguer or something. It was insulting to those of us that had followed Johnny's career to that point. We knew that Gaudreau had a very good chance of becoming an NHL hockey player. We had also witnessed many years of Theo Fleury getting along just fine. So why go off pontificating about how small Johnny was, as if it made a lick of difference? Probably because in his mind, it did.

EldrickOnIce · 10-13-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Major Major

I chuckle when people bemoan the praiseless nature of Burke. Is that his job? Is this freaking Edmonton?

^ This exactly

Crybabies gonna cry

the2bears · 10-13-2015, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

Right, but Johnny had just finished dominating the World Championship with high caliber NHL players. Burke was trying to suggest that "letting Johnny be who he was", was in fact a career minor leaguer or something. It was insulting to those of us that had followed Johnny's career to that point. We knew that Gaudreau had a very good chance of becoming an NHL hockey player. We had also witnessed many years of Theo Fleury getting along just fine. So why go off pontificating about how small Johnny was, as if it made a lick of difference? Probably because in his mind, it did.

That's quite a stretch, to read so much into Burke's comments and then to be insulted with your own version of what he said.

Ruttiger · 10-13-2015, 08:29 AM

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So glad he is a Flame the kid is such a special talent and has top 5 player potential IMO

Top 5 on the Flames or top 5 in the NHL? One is believable, the other most certainly not.

Street Pharmacist · 10-13-2015, 08:36 AM

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Top 5 on the Flames or top 5 in the NHL? One is believable, the other most certainly not.

Your belief is irrelevant here

Five-hole · 10-13-2015, 08:44 AM

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Top 5 on the Flames or top 5 in the NHL? One is believable, the other most certainly not.

Thanks for coming in to be a wet blanket on a feel good thread for Flames fans. I suppose you'd be more supportive if we just anointed him a top 5 player now as is the norm with Oilers fans and their players?

EldrickOnIce · 10-13-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Top 5 on the Flames or top 5 in the NHL? One is believable, the other most certainly not.

You're funny.
Top 5 scoring is now 80ish points.
Gaudreau certainly has point per game potential

SuperMatt18 · 10-13-2015, 08:47 AM

Well there's Crosby, and the the Oliers 4 first overall picks need to be gifted a spot in the top 5, since that's how the Oilers do it, so yeah no top 5 spot for Gaudreau up for grabs for at least 10 years.

Coach · 10-13-2015, 08:55 AM

People, go easy on him. Oiler fans cannot comprehend good players coming from anywhere after the top 10 in the draft, it's just not in their biology. It's like trying to explain what light is to a worm.

Erick Estrada · 10-13-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by T@T

What? What works?, leaving Toronto and Vancouver with no prospects or the fluky cup win in Anaheim?. He's a blowhard that gets a large salary from the flames for doing absolutely nothing. And that's when he decides to grace us with his presence in our city.

I hope the powers of be finally see threw his BS and fire his ass.

He left the Canucks in pretty good shape and it was Keenan that left the team in shambles for him to rebuild. Toronto is a lost cause. We will eventually see Lamorello and Babcock tarnish their reputations there as that organization will never be able to build a contender in that fish bowl and few if anyone ever comes out of there looking good. Nothing fluky about the astute moves he made to win that Cup as that team dominated in the playoffs.

So the gist of your post is that you want Burke fired because you simply don't like him. That's fair as it's your opinion but seeing it was the Flames that hired Burke in the first place you would have to think they knew absolutely what they were getting and I expect to date are very happy with the returns.