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dammage79 · 10-05-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Again, debatable, and training camp shouldn't be and I doubt is the only data point they are using in their decision. Lots of things other than how did they play in this years camp should be going into the thought process for all 3 guys.

Debatable? Who pitched the only SO with a farm team laid out in front of them?

heep223 · 10-05-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bringing back Ramo at such a massive cap hit was a huge mistake.

I can't see how a 1 year deal hurts them in any way. Just adds to depth and increases competition in net.

tvp2003 · 10-05-2015, 11:59 AM

Ramo wasn't re-signed so he could sit in the pressbox or play in Stockton.

I just hope Ortio stays sharp so that when he gets his opportunity he can run with it.

DoubleF · 10-05-2015, 12:00 PM

Kipper was a 3rd string guy once. Are we trying to recreate history?

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not a false statement, it's an opinion. And one that has some validity. they're both victims of circumstance is all. Simply too much depth has been acquired/re-signed and both have earned their way onto the main roster.

Based on Training camp, you are willing to un-debatably assess that Ortio is for sure the superior goalie moving forward to both Hiller and Ramo this year, and Granlund is better for sure than at least one of 12 forwards starting in front of him.

I get you can have an opinion that might be yes to both those questions, but to feel that it's such a slam dunk that you'd be willing to say the players are getting screwed seems a little much. Far too much area to debate on both fronts I would think to have that passionate of an opinion, not sure how you see it as either guy distanced themselves from their competition that much in training camp, but as you say you are entitled to your opinion.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Debatable? Who pitched the only SO with a farm team laid out in front of them?

Do you literally think 1 game in the pre-season no less should be the only thing that matters? If so, fair enough, I'm just glad you are on here and not in Hartley's coaching room.

Erick Estrada · 10-05-2015, 12:08 PM

We will never really know what was Treliving's reasoning for signing Ramo in the offseason but I imagine as the offseason progressed and there was no suitors for any of the Flames three goaltenders in a trade that the team had hopes that one would stand out in training camp and that never really happened as none of the goaltenders stood out good or bad as they all were just competent. Now it appears they will simply extend the process into the regular season and see how it plays out while hoping another team that suffers an injury at the position comes calling for one of the three.

SuperMatt18 · 10-05-2015, 12:12 PM

All 3 goalies were good in pre-season IMO, and I don't think anybody really did enough to outright win, or outright lose their place.

Looking at pre-season only then Ortio was probably the best, by a very slim margin, but the other guys have a whole season of work last year that can't just be ignored.

From that perspective alone it makes sense to have the same ranking on the depth chart that we ended last season with, and now we just continue evaluating from here.

CroFlames · 10-05-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bringing back Ramo at such a massive cap hit was a huge mistake.

Why? It's a one year deal.

CSharp · 10-05-2015, 12:49 PM

After Tre trades Hiller, Ortio will be the backup to Ramo.

michalek · 10-05-2015, 12:51 PM

Any chance that Flames will try to sneak Ortiz through waivers tomorrow ?

CroFlames · 10-05-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by michalek

Any chance that Flames will try to sneak Ortiz through waivers tomorrow ?

I doubt it. But the apparent lack of goalie market might make passing waivers possible.

Strange Brew · 10-05-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by michalek

Any chance that Flames will try to sneak Ortiz through waivers tomorrow ?

Well that would be the right way to do it. No one is claiming Ortiz.

Erick Estrada · 10-05-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

I doubt it. But the apparent lack of goalie market might make passing waivers possible.

It does look like at least to start the season the goaltending market is pretty saturated. The fact that goaltenders like Scrivens are available with lower cap hits than Ramo or Hiller makes it look like it's going to be difficult for the Flames to deal either one of these guys although Hiller has the best pedigree of any goaltender that might be available a lot of teams simply aren't in a position to take on more money.

dino7c · 10-05-2015, 01:05 PM

Without Hiller/Ramo the Flames would have been out of it after the first month last season...one pre-season shut out for Ortio isn't enough to send them packing

FBI · 10-05-2015, 01:10 PM

Not going to be mad at that quote as long as we don't put Ortio on waivers and we give him a chance in the regular season.

Enoch Root · 10-05-2015, 01:21 PM

Hartley's comment was pretty straight-forward IMO: the two vets are still 1-2 because they are the established vets and they have earned that. The new guy sits at 3 until he unequivocally surpasses them. That is the right approach, IMO.

However, I wouldn't read too much into that, in the 'he hasn't earned a job' sense.

The bottom line here is that they didn't put Ortio on waivers. They are keeping him here and are willing to put up with a 3 goalie situation for now to give him the opportunity to move up from 3.

To me, that speaks volumes about what they think his value is and where they see this situation going as they move forward.

I think they will rotate the 3 for now and let it play out. If Ortio plays well and proves that he deserves to be here full time, they will move one of the other 2. If Ortio stumbles, they re-assess.

Pliddy · 10-05-2015, 01:23 PM

I know that people are going to disagree with me, but I would waive Hiller. The goalie market is dried up, 3 goalies does not work and may work against Ortio's development. If he is not claimed-no harm, if he is claimed you free up a contract and get 4million+ cap relief. At this point I am not sure what you would get in a trade anyway-4th round pick and a low level prospect ?. Waive Hiller and move on

Enoch Root · 10-05-2015, 01:26 PM

If they were planning on running with Hiller/Ramo this year, they would have waived Ortio today because this would be the best time to do it.

So that says to me that this is not their plan.

They have three outstanding situations:

1) they need to see more proof that Ortio is in fact ready,

2) they need to determine which of the other two to keep, and

3) they need to find a solution for the odd man out

GoJetsGo · 10-05-2015, 01:27 PM

It all comes down to the fact they seem to really feel Ortio wouldn't clear waivers and they aren't prepared to lose him to them.

Really tough spot to be in, as it's clear from the organization (who usually hold their cards pretty close to their chest) they really detest the idea of carrying 3 goalies on the main roster.

I like all of them for different reasons and this is a really tough call.