10-03-2015, 05:18 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
So, what's gross about Colton Orr is Colton Orr? And anybody who doesn't agree with you obviously doesn't know who Colton Orr is, I suppose? And all you have to do is Google the name and you will magically be converted into a True Believer in Colton Orr's Obvious Grossness?
So much fail.
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I think there's a guy named Grossman
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10-03-2015, 05:21 PM
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#22
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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better than Trevor gillies. Has nhl experience
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10-03-2015, 06:55 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Kessy's antics last night almost caused a line brawl. And that was after his first fight which was immediately after he hit Johnson with a questionable hot
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10-03-2015, 07:04 PM
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#24
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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Nice. Guy's a killer.
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10-03-2015, 07:05 PM
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#25
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Could Care Less
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Wish it was Grats instead. Not sure why they didn't re-sign him if they needed someone in that role.
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10-03-2015, 07:10 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Originally Posted by heep223
Wish it was Grats instead. Not sure why they didn't re-sign him if they needed someone in that role.
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Didnt 'Grats' say he was done with fighting and wanted to focus on his game. Orr will be a nice fit in the minors. As its been mentioned -protect the kids.
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10-03-2015, 07:41 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by heep223
Wish it was Grats instead. Not sure why they didn't re-sign him if they needed someone in that role.
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Anaheim gave McGrattan an NHL contract. Treliving probably wasn't willing to do the same.
Also, with Anaheim's farm team being in San Diego (90 miles between arenas), McGrattan probably got a place about halfway between to two cities, so he can be with his wife and new baby every night whether he's in the NHL or AHL.
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10-03-2015, 08:30 PM
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#28
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
better than Trevor gillies. Has nhl experience
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Yup. Gillies was a dirty goon who lacked any sportsmanship.
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10-03-2015, 09:00 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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nm, wrong thread
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 10-03-2015 at 09:07 PM.
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10-04-2015, 01:40 AM
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#30
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Franchise Player
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hopefully he can teach Smith, Carroll, and Kanzig all the tricks to fighting.
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10-04-2015, 01:54 AM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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Maybe McGrattan didn't want to live in Stockton with his baby? Can't say I blame him.
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10-04-2015, 08:12 AM
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#32
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by 868904
hopefully he can teach Smith, Carroll, and Kanzig all the tricks to fighting.
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I think techniques wise there are lesser fighters who are better. Orr is mostly right handed and trade punches. It happens that Hejaz a well feared right. I wonder if we are better off with a younger tough guy like Setitos or Mclaren who don't have as many hits to the head. I like the move to bring in a heavy though cuz guys like Kanzig and Smith are inexperienced and might get tuned by veterans.
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10-04-2015, 08:22 AM
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#33
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Lifetime Suspension
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More importantly is how good of an example he is to the kids. We know Grats is great as a big brother.
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10-04-2015, 08:36 AM
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#34
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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Why??!! Hate this move.
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10-04-2015, 08:38 AM
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Scoring Winger
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Ugh...what a total waste of a roster spot that takes time away from developing our kids. Face punchers who don't have hockey skill no longer have a role in the NHL. They're definitely not needed in the AHL to protect your non-NHL players.
IF you're going down the road of needing an enforcer in the minors, at least get someone younger who may surprise everyone and eventually be called up to our 4th line one day.
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10-04-2015, 09:08 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by burnitdown
Ugh...what a total waste of a roster spot that takes time away from developing our kids. Face punchers who don't have hockey skill no longer have a role in the NHL. They're definitely not needed in the AHL to protect your non-NHL players.
IF you're going down the road of needing an enforcer in the minors, at least get someone younger who may surprise everyone and eventually be called up to our 4th line one day.
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I agree with your point that the role of the enforcer is dying out and it seems like a wasted spot in this day and age.
However, I don't think it will take as much time away from the kids as you think.
First off is Orr will likely get around less than 5 minutes of ice time per night. This should lead to an increase in ice time for the other 11 dressed forwards.
Secondly Orr will be 4th line most nights. 4th line in the AHL is probably not a good spot to develop prospects, the ECHL is a better spot. If a prospect is consistently on the 4th line in the AHL, he won't likely have a big future in the NHL.
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10-04-2015, 09:21 AM
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#37
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Originally Posted by burnitdown
Ugh...what a total waste of a roster spot that takes time away from developing our kids. Face punchers who don't have hockey skill no longer have a role in the NHL. They're definitely not needed in the AHL to protect your non-NHL players.
IF you're going down the road of needing an enforcer in the minors, at least get someone younger who may surprise everyone and eventually be called up to our 4th line one day.
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The bolded is 100% false. The AHL is much more violent than the NHL as all those face punchers you referenced that are no longer in the NHL, are often playing in the AHL.
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10-04-2015, 09:23 AM
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#38
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
I agree with your point that the role of the enforcer is dying out and it seems like a wasted spot in this day and age.
However, I don't think it will take as much time away from the kids as you think.
First off is Orr will likely get around less than 5 minutes of ice time per night. This should lead to an increase in ice time for the other 11 dressed forwards.
Secondly Orr will be 4th line most nights. 4th line in the AHL is probably not a good spot to develop prospects, the ECHL is a better spot. If a prospect is consistently on the 4th line in the AHL, he won't likely have a big future in the NHL.
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Totally agree...although that's why I'd much rather have a younger "enforcer" in that role with hopefully some hockey skill, in the unlikely chance he develops into something. Bringing in a guy like Orr at the tail end of his career who can only play 5 mins a night doesn't make much sense. Really, I'm splitting hairs here as I realize the chances of a young enforcer playing 5-10 mins per night making it in the bigs is quite small (but still higher than the 0% chance of Orr).
Last edited by burnitdown; 10-04-2015 at 09:32 AM.
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10-04-2015, 09:33 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Not sure
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I'm sure if there was a younger "enforcer" with potential to develop out there, he would be signed by a team already.
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10-04-2015, 09:58 AM
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#40
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Probably stuck driving someone somewhere
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burnitdown
...a young enforcer playing 5-10 mins per night
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Quote:
Originally Posted by burnitdown
Bringing in a guy like Orr at the tail end of his career who can only play 5 mins a night....
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I'd argue this is why a guy like Orr fits the bill for this. You kind of answered your own question. ~ 5min a night, its nothing. And I think you know this. He's just there to protect the others on the team, if/when needed, so that they can develop - not him.
I know you are not specifically saying this, but development is more than putting all young guys down there and watching them develop. There is a lot of context that surrounds that. And if you you need someone solely to play the role of policeman for a couple of minutes a night, especially given the other policeman around, in the minors, I think a random guy like Orr fits the bill. Not everything is "young or bust".
And extremely unlikely, but if you need someone like this for a 1-off in the bigs, a guy like Orr fits the bill.
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