2015 NFL Season Thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

Tampa Bay has probably the worst offensive line in the league. The overall team is lacking a lot of depth so this season should be treated as a wash, and Winston spared from getting killed by the line. Instead since Lovie went 2-14 last year, he's already out of time and has to play Winston and hope it works out. I think he throws at least 20 INTs and gets sacked 40+times. 6 wins seems the best case scenario, which to be fair was 1 game out of first last year.

And it seems like the Redskins might have to cut RGIII or risk giving him $16 million fully guaranteed next year, injury included. Cousins has been named the starter and you'd think McCoy is probably the backup. So is the RGIII trade the worst trade in league history? And is RGIII the biggest bust in league history? I'd say yes and not quite but right in the top 3.

[Da_Chief]

RGIII is a bigger bust then guys like Ryan Leaf and JeMarcus Russell cuz of the price Skins paid to get him.

Tampa has a bad OL, good thing Winston is mobile but still if I was them I's start with Glennon, who can play. Teams looking for a QB should try to acquire Glennon as I think he has serious potential.

Teams to breakout imo: Vikes are obvious, Rams can have a big year with 49ers on a fast decline and Cards with their D struggles and mediocre QB. I like the Jaguars too, lotsa unknown offensive weapons and a D that is rapidly improving. So Vikes, Rams and Jags should win a lot more games then they did last year.

[PostandIn]

Griffin just seems like a guy that never wanted, or didn't think he needed to, put in the work to develop an NFL calibre skill set. Once his knee was mangled it became obvious that he has only second or third tier passing skills and he hasn't really progressed in reading defences either.

[PostandIn]

Breakout team this year for me is Buffalo. That D will be scary and their O looks to be heading in the right direction.

[corporatejay]

I follow the Taters quite a bit because I listen to the Tony Kornheiser show every day and RGIII is the most mismanaged asset in league history.

Sure, his attitude lately has been less than stellar and he's basically broken, but they've mishandled him from the get-go. In his first season he was an absolute stud. Leaf and Russell had zero quality seasons between them. Griffin took the Taters to the playoffs for the first time in like a decade.

[Spuds_Buckley]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Moving the off-season discussion over to a season discussion.

I'll start off by posting our divisional previews from our podcast.

First up AFC EAST.

http://ostalk.podbean.com/e/ostalk-e...ries-afc-east/

Who do you have winning the East? Pats without Brady for few weeks? Bills overcoming their QB issues? Dolphins taking the next step? Jets with their offensive issues and new coach?

Buffalo 10-6
They were a decent team last year with an awful QB. Is Tyrod Taylor the answer? Probably not... but if preseason is any indication he can at least move the offense and break the pocket for a few runs. The D is still very good.

Miami 9-7
Miami nevers seems to get over the hump and be in the playoffs. I don't see anything that vaults them any higher this year.

New England 9-7
I think the Pats fall out of the playoff picture this year. Just a hunch (or maybe a bias since I'm not a fan)

New York Jets 6-10
This organization is a circus... not much else to say.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Fred Jackson on his way to Seattle and he's likely to sign there. Obviously a very solid pickup for the Seahawks.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I follow the Taters quite a bit because I listen to the Tony Kornheiser show every day and RGIII is the most mismanaged asset in league history.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I follow the Taters quite a bit because I listen to the Tony Kornheiser show every day and RGIII is the most mismanaged asset in league history.

Sure, his attitude lately has been less than stellar and he's basically broken, but they've mishandled him from the get-go. In his first season he was an absolute stud. Leaf and Russell had zero quality seasons between them. Griffin took the Taters to the playoffs for the first time in like a decade.

I don't know, Griffin has turned out pretty much how I expected. He never had the pocket presence to be a truly successful QB in the NFL. Slow on his reads so he never gets through his progressions and his release is slow, bad combination. In his first year he had a stud running back and it was one read and run for him. NFL defense will catch onto that in a hurry. It doesn't help that his o-line is brutal but his pocket presence is terrible.

I have never liked him but do feel a little bad for him. Getting released would be the best thing for him unless he really wants that $16mil because he is not going to see that type of coin again.

[Sylvanfan]

He never should have started that playoff game on that Field in the Condition that it was in. That's a case of throwing away 50 million dollars for one game. Shanahan should have had him out of that game a lot sooner, or not at all given the investment the team had in him.

[rubecube]

I think the majority of the blame for the RG3 situation is on Dan Snyder (big surprise). I still think he's salvageable under the right system and organization, but Washington is easily the worst organization in the NFL. The smart move would've been for them to trade him in the offseason, when they still could've recouped a third rounder for him, but Washington never does the smart thing because they have an owner who can't stop himself from meddling.

The thing is, if you look around the league, there are some potential landing spots for him.

Arizona - Maybe the worst backup situation in the league and Palmer is close to retirement.

Buffalo - I think he's an upgrade on every one of their QBs.

Cleveland - Unlikely, but could be a possibility if Manziel and McCown implode again this year.

Denver - Gives them an option if they're not sold on Osweiller when Manning retires

Houston - Again, he's not any worse than Hoyer or Mallet and has more natural talent than either of them. Could be a good fit with Bill O'Brien, too.

Kansas City - Reid has worked magic with reclamation projects before and he'd improve their depth.

NY Jets - See Buffalo and Houston

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by troutman

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Denver - Gives them an option if they're not sold on Osweiller when Manning retires

Would never happen because unfortunately management LOVES Brock. Admittedly he looks better in a Kubiak offence now but I still think he's garbage. Sorry DFF.

I may be slightly salty that the Broncos passed on Teddy B as the heir to Manning when he was sitting right frikkin there for them.

Along those lines as well Manning has looked awful this preseason. Nothing but wobbly ducks and underthrown passes. It's like watching a smarter Chad Pennington on his last legs. The hope is "it's only the preseason" but so far it looks bleak IMO.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Along those lines as well Manning has looked awful this preseason. Nothing but wobbly ducks and underthrown passes. It's like watching a smarter Chad Pennington on his last legs. The hope is "it's only the preseason" but so far it looks bleak IMO.

To be fair, weren't his passes at the beginning of the last two seasons looking similar, or has this been worse?

[Galakanokis]

Chad Pennington? Ha ha ha. I had forgotten all about him.

Didn't Manning recently admit that he has no feeling at the end of some of his fingers? I'm surprised he has lasted this long especially on a not so great team.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by rubecube

To be fair, weren't his passes at the beginning of the last two seasons looking similar, or has this been worse?

Worse. Before at least there were glimpses of good throws, this year everything looks like those stupid ducks he decided to start chucking vs Indy. So many knuckleballs.

On a positive note if they can be fair to middling against the run Denver's D is going to be scary. The secondary and pass rush are bananas. It'll be nice to see something other than clown shoes Del Rio's "rush 4 and pray" strategy. Such a terrible coach.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I like how Rube left out the most obvious landing spot for RGIII: Philly. You know Chip would love to get him and see if he can make it work.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I like how Rube left out the most obvious landing spot for RGIII: Philly. You know Chip would love to get him and see if he can make it work.

I don't think so. Chip's offense is based on fast reads not fast players. RGIII is terrible at reads and the short quick throws that follow. I don't see a fit at all. If he wants to come in as a 3rd stringer fine but Tebow, like him or not, will be used on the odd rushing down or goal line situations. He's big and he can run. RGIII can only run.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I like how Rube left out the most obvious landing spot for RGIII: Philly. You know Chip would love to get him and see if he can make it work.

In the offseason I made an argument for RGIII to Philly because he would have been an upgrade on Sanchez and Foles (physically anyways), but it doesn't make sense with Bradford there now.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Griffin just seems like a guy that never wanted, or didn't think he needed to, put in the work to develop an NFL calibre skill set. Once his knee was mangled it became obvious that he has only second or third tier passing skills and he hasn't really progressed in reading defences either.

I remember hearing before that RG3 seemed more concerned with developing his "brand" than putting in the time. How ridicoulous is that. the guy doesnt seem like a leader, never takes blame himself, not surprising that apparently there arent too many fans of his on the team. I would hate to be a fan of that team with Snyder pulling all the strings