Hockey’s Next Ones: Top 100 NHL Prospects

[Brewmaster]

Originally Posted by robaur

Why is Marner getting ranked ahead of Bennett in all of these rankings ?

I understand that Marner had an amazing 126 point season during his draft year but there were 2 other players on his team who hit 100+ points in the season - Domi (ranked 11th on this list) and Dvorak. He was playing on a stacked London Knights team.

Bennett on the other hand during his draft year had little to no offensive help, and when he played junior this past season after missing pretty much the entire season -- he lit up the OHL to the tune of 24 points in 11 games playing with an offensive plug like Spencer Watson. And then after that, he jumped right into the NHL Playoffs level.....Mitch Marner might not even make the Leafs regular season team...

Being drafted by the Leafs just seems to outweigh any tangible evidence.

I'm not a junior scout or an expert on NHL propects, but I find it difficult to subjectively argue that Bennett should be any higher than 4th on that list. The fact is, he only played 12 regular season games last year between the Fronts and the Flames. And while he looked promising with the Flames in the series against Vancouver, that again is a very small sample size to judge a player. Missing nearly a full season of hockey at 18 years old will have a negative impact on any prospect when comparing him to his peers.

I'm hopeful that Sam will jump right into an impact role with the Flames, but also recognize that there could be some growing pains. With his aggressive style of play and current injury track record, there is a possibility that an 82 game season in the NHL will be a difficult adjustment.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So tanking in your draft year does not in your opinion mean unlimited potential success going forward?

Tanking in your draft year mean a need to prove people wrong about your shortcomings in your Draft+1 / Draft+2 years if you want to continue to be considered a top 100 prospect at that point in time. That is only fair and it applies to Kylington, he has to show progress in Draft+1 and then Draft+2 not just stagnate.

Examples:
Cam Fowler (made NHL in Draft+1)
Ryan Getzlaf (increased production 57% in Draft+1)
Brandon Saad (increased production 85% in Draft+1)
Filip Forsberg (earned NHL callup in Draft+1, longer callup in Draft+2, was calder candidate in Draft+3)
Anze Kopitar (transitioned well to SEL in Draft+1, High-level NHLer by Draft+2)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Tanking in your draft year mean a need to prove people wrong about your shortcomings in your Draft+1 / Draft+2 years if you want to continue to be considered a top 100 prospect at that point in time. That is only fair and it applies to Kylington, he has to show progress in Draft+1 and then Draft+2 not just stagnate.

Examples:
Cam Fowler (made NHL in Draft+1)
Ryan Getzlaf (increased production 57% in Draft+1)
Brandon Saad (increased production 85% in Draft+1)
Filip Forsberg (earned NHL callup in Draft+1, longer callup in Draft+2, was calder candidate in Draft+3)
Anze Kopitar (transitioned well to SEL in Draft+1, High-level NHLer by Draft+2)

Cam Fowler had a great draft year --- he was the 3rd D-man picked. He was projected higher by TSN but #12 pick is not falling to the end of the 2nd round.

Brian Getzlaff was chosen #18 in the 2003 draft... Brent Burns, Corey Perry, Ryan Kesler, Mike richards got picked after him in the 2003 1st round.

Kopitar was chosen #11 overall .... out of a freakin' Swedish Jr. league. In his 5 games for Sovenia at the U20 WJC he had 10 goals and 13 pts as a 17 year old. He was a physical phenom. To say that he he had a bad draft year.... like Kylington is preposterous.


Saad is a story where he looked to have an attitude problem in his draft year that bumped him down to the 2nd round and he straightened out.


For each player that had a "sub-par" draft year and rebounded in the following years there will be 20 guys like Angelo Esposito that had poor draft years and basically that was as good as they got.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

...For each player that had a "sub-par" draft year and rebounded in the following years there will be 20 guys like Angelo Esposito that had poor draft years and basically that was as good as they got.

But Kyllington is at least still in a position to prove it one way or the other. It may still be a long shot, but the point here is that with that window still wide open, Kyllington deserves a place on this list whereas Shinkaruk after 2 years of rather disappointing post-draft development does not.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

...How in the world do you think that Jankowski as the #3 C on his NCAA team as a 20 year old could ever be considered a top 100 prospect?...

I have not seen a single poster in this thread make this assertion.

Jankowski has been mentioned as comparable to some players who are on this list, but as an argument for why they should probably be removed.

[ricardodw]

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[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Cam Fowler had a great draft year --- he was the 3rd D-man picked. He was projected higher by TSN but #12 pick is not falling to the end of the 2nd round.

Brian Getzlaff was chosen #18 in the 2003 draft... Brent Burns, Corey Perry, Ryan Kesler, Mike richards got picked after him in the 2003 1st round.

Kopitar was chosen #11 overall .... out of a freakin' Swedish Jr. league. In his 5 games for Sovenia at the U20 WJC he had 10 goals and 13 pts as a 17 year old. He was a physical phenom. To say that he he had a bad draft year.... like Kylington is preposterous.


Saad is a story where he looked to have an attitude problem in his draft year that bumped him down to the 2nd round and he straightened out.


For each player that had a "sub-par" draft year and rebounded in the following years there will be 20 guys like Angelo Esposito that had poor draft years and basically that was as good as they got.

I've heard of Chris & Ryan. But who is this Brian guy?
Yes, I know he also spelt it Getzlaff instead of Getzlaf

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

For each player that had a "sub-par" draft year and rebounded in the following years there will be 20 guys like Angelo Esposito that had poor draft years and basically that was as good as they got.

Esposito is a poor example. His #1 skill was his skating and then he suffered numerous knee injuries. Without that - he was nothing.
People look at him and say "BUST BUST BUST!!!" without knowing the context behind it. Unfair.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Strome over Reinhart? That's surprising, I remember Reinhart being the primo forward prospect of last year's draft.

Bennett was the primo forward of last year's draft. I only had Ekblad ahead of him in my rankings. I'd definitely take him over Marner as well.

Strome and Reinhart are pretty close from what I've seen of them. I don't think either one in front of the other is a shocker.

[David Struch]

In 7 years, Hockey’s Next Ones will realize “Jankowski was the best player in the 2012 draft

[BurningSteel]

Shinkaruk at 82.....boy we screwed that one up