Corey Pronman's Top 100 Prospects

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

and no complaints about Jankowski not making the list?

Not that this list has any credibility outside of the top 10 but it would be interesting to see some sort of independent non-biased central scouting prospect list to see where the Flames prospects rank.

I like that you bring up Jankowski, as though we should be outraged by his exclusion, but ignore the fact that Kylington was ranked #35 on Pronman's list. Any comment on that after railing against how high he was ranked on CP's list?

[Hackey]

Ya ricardo. Explain yourself.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

I like that you bring up Jankowski, as though we should be outraged by his exclusion, but ignore the fact that Kylington was ranked #35 on Pronman's list. Any comment on that after railing against how high he was ranked on CP's list?

Would you care to comment on how , according to Pronman, CP as a whole got Kylington so wrong? He is our 2nd best prospect according to Pronman. Pronman currently has Kylington notionally better than Gaudreau was after winning the Hobey Baker and then being a top player on team USA at the Men's World Championship of Hockey.

For crying out loud Jankowski is going to be the best player picked in the 2012 draft..... he is ranked #6 by CP vote ... when Jankowski was being picked #6 there were only 32 CPers who thought that Kylington was a better prospect.

[jg13]

I find it hard to believe there are 7 better goalie prospects than Gillies.

[bob-loblaw]

Where does he ranks the Flames prospect pool now? On the ENG2 thread he ranked the Oilers as having the best prospect pool because of those McDavid and Draisatl (more so McDavid).Curious to know where Leon or any other Oiler prospects show up on this list.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Where does he ranks the Flames prospect pool now? On the ENG2 thread he ranked the Oilers as having the best prospect pool because of those McDavid and Draisatl (more so McDavid).Curious to know where Leon or any other Oiler prospects show up on this list.

Flames 9th:

9. Although the Flames graduated Calder finalist Johnny Gaudreau, strong seasons from Emile Poirier and Brandon Hickey, among others, and a strong 2015 draft, despite the fact that they had no first-rounder, keep the system stable from a year ago. One would imagine the Flames are going to start to move some of their top prospects, such as Poirier and Sam Bennett, to the NHL next season, which will potentially put a floor under any type of regression from the big club.

Draisaitl isn't considered a prospect by his definition because of NHL games played. He specifically said if you remove McDavid they have a couple good defensive prospects and very little else, and would be average.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I like how Weisborod/Feaster's comments about Jankowski becoming the #1 player in the 2012 draft get brought up as if they mean anything at all. Those dudes got fired for saying/doing stupid stuff like that. What else do you want?

[Red Menace]

I said Kylington was our 2nd best prospect over and over agin in the prospect threads and that an independent analysis would have him much higher than the 10th place that the CP mob rated him.
Excited to see him develop.

[Badgers Nose]

Keep ranking Bennett behind those bums. We will see who gets a Cup ring first.

[Badgers Nose]

#### regression. Flames are going to be a 105 point team. If not higher.

[herashak]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

I said Kylington was our 2nd best prospect over and over agin in the prospect threads and that an independent analysis would have him much higher than the 10th place that the CP mob rated him.
Excited to see him develop.

He had dougie Hamilton behind prospects like grimaldi, beaulieu, and McNeil in 2011. This is just like his opinion, man.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by herashak

He had dougie Hamilton behind prospects like grimaldi, beaulieu, and McNeil in 2011. This is just like his opinion, man.

You mean to tell me that one person's personal ranking of prospects won't be 100% accurate?!

[ScorchyScorch]

I wonder what kind of player Poirier becomes. Looked really strong in the 2013-14 camp, and more like a guy just getting the hang of things this past season. Looked strong in the AHL though. I hope he reaches his ceiling of a top 6 RW that can hit and skate like the wind. Just looks like he's going to take a longer amount of time as opposed to special cases like Monahan and Bennett. I hope he escalates his game and doesn't level off as an AHL guy. I'm excited for Klimchuk though, I think he'll become a useful middle 6 NHLer that can put up 40pts+ in a season or two.

[Hackey]

Poirier becoming a top 6 would be huge for the organization. I definitely think we still need more forward depth despite us scoring a lot of goals last season. 3 lines that score is obviously ideal. Also no guarantee we keep Hudler and he could leave a big hole in that top 6.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

I'm excited for Klimchuk though, I think he'll become a useful middle 6 NHLer that can put up 40pts+ in a season or two.

Re: Klimchuk, funny enough I think the best comparable as to his ceiling is Frolik. Maybe they'll be linemates!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Would you care to comment on how , according to Pronman, CP as a whole got Kylington so wrong?

Quit dodging the question and try answering it.

To your question, yeah, Pronman has Kylington ranked highly, but he also had Kabanov as his #4 prospect a couple years ago and had Gaudreau down at 44. Speaks volumes as to his ability to see talent.

He is our 2nd best prospect according to Pronman. Pronman currently has Kylington notionally better than Gaudreau was after winning the Hobey Baker and then being a top player on team USA at the Men's World Championship of Hockey.

Okay, so Pronman doesn't have a clue? I think that has been established. He easily falls in love with certain players and doesn't budge off of them. If Pronman is such a genius when it comes to player evaluation why isn't he the most sought out scout by every team in the league? Scouts get hired all the time, and Pronman hasn't been offered a gig. Maybe he isn't that well respected for his opinions?

On Kylington, and your desire to blow him up into some great future player, well ahead of many players who have already proven they are capable of taking the next step in their development, consider that every team in the NHL passed on him TWICE. The Flames picked him at 60! Says a lot.

For crying out loud Jankowski is going to be the best player picked in the 2012 draft..... he is ranked #6 by CP vote ... when Jankowski was being picked #6 there were only 32 CPers who thought that Kylington was a better prospect.

Yup, only 6 people thought Kylington was worthy of a selection at that point. Again, that speaks volumes. Kylington fell like a rock the last year, and for good reasons. The kid has talent, but he is a long shot. Consider where the Flames took him, that was great time to pick a project with home run potential. The key word there is potential. He's got all the skills to be Paul Coffey, but he also has the head and work ethic to be Bryan Fogarty. There odds of him becoming a NHL pro are stacked against him, and every team in the NHL made that evaluation by passing on him.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Quit dodging the question and try answering it.

To your question, yeah, Pronman has Kylington ranked highly, but he also had Kabanov as his #4 prospect a couple years ago and had Gaudreau down at 44. Speaks volumes as to his ability to see talent.

Okay, so Pronman doesn't have a clue? I think that has been established. He easily falls in love with certain players and doesn't budge off of them. If Pronman is such a genius when it comes to player evaluation why isn't he the most sought out scout by every team in the league? Scouts get hired all the time, and Pronman hasn't been offered a gig. Maybe he isn't that well respected for his opinions?

On Kylington, and your desire to blow him up into some great future player, well ahead of many players who have already proven they are capable of taking the next step in their development, consider that every team in the NHL passed on him TWICE. The Flames picked him at 60! Says a lot.

Yup, only 6 people thought Kylington was worthy of a selection at that point. Again, that speaks volumes. Kylington fell like a rock the last year, and for good reasons. The kid has talent, but he is a long shot. Consider where the Flames took him, that was great time to pick a project with home run potential. The key word there is potential. He's got all the skills to be Paul Coffey, but he also has the head and work ethic to be Bryan Fogarty. There odds of him becoming a NHL pro are stacked against him, and every team in the NHL made that evaluation by passing on him.

Even in the context of this page where Goodlad correctly identifies that I am not on the Kylington bandwagon you have totally misunderstood my mocking the prospect ratings.


Goodlad:

Any comment on that after railing against how high he was ranked on CP's list?

I am not on the Jankowski bandwagon. I do not think he will ever be signed by the Flames as a 2nd round compensation pick will be better OR if he has some sort of Hobey Baker year he will just wait a couple of months and sign with a team where he won't be in competition with Stajan/Arnold to be the #4 centre.


In my opinion Pronman rating Kylington in the top 100 is a totally grandstanding move that I can not at all understand or find a modicum of hockey logic in it.

At least Red Menace and Dammage79 have the built in illogical reasoning of being Flames Fanboys...

Pronman is just putting out a ridiculous long shot that might show him superior to the NHL scouts that make a reasonable living by evaluating young hockey talent.

I guess I can identify a bit with Pronman that as I have put down $20 in Vegas on Flames winning the SC in 2013 and 2014. The payout being 500 to 1. I like Pronman knew that the penalty for such an outlandish wager/prediction would not be severe.

[Red Menace]

Don't quite understand how ranking one Flames prospect ahead of another Flames prospect makes one a "flames fanboy"? Or even what that phrase is supposed to imply?
I certainly don't agree with Pronman all of the time and no one would call him a Flames fan at all but he has lots of credibility.
Bob McKenzie for one considers him one of if not the best prospect expert in the business.
Of course he is often wrong, as is anyone in the business of predicting future success.

[66Dukester]

While I have always thought that Pronmans prospect rankings were among the best available, I realize that it is one mans opinion. While slightly disappointed that Bennett is at 6, I am thrilled with the Kylington and Hickey rankings.
Reading his next post however that ranks Edmonton as having the best prospect pool in the league significantly effects his credibility in my opinion

[jayswin]

Holy crap New Era, Ricardodw is being completely ridiculous and deserves to be called out for his goofy mocking of "CP" (we're all one poster if you weren't aware) and yet you come in and somehow up the ridiculousness by not even catching why he's being ridiculous.

This is a huge fail thread and everyone should feel shame. Everybody disembark the fail thread and try again somewhere else, there is no more fail available to capture here, folks. It's all gone.