[Signing] Rangers sign Jarett Stoll (1 yr, $800k)

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

I did not see anything about drug issues before. He was in Vegas at a pool party, it sounds like an infrequent event. Has he shown any evidence of habitual drug use effecting his personal life?

Not sure about evidence, but lots of rumours/smoke around he and Torres when they played for Edmonton.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's incredibly lenient, I wonder how much Stoll had to pay for that sweet deal? I doubt if Joe Blow (heh) was caught doing the same thing, he'd only get a measly 32 hours of community service. That's like a few hours a month for one hockey season, probably doing the same kind of stuff he would do anyway as a member of an NHL team.

Imagine if it was African-American Joe Blow... the dude would be in jail for sure, no questions asked. Hell, if that same black guy was caught with an ounce of weed, he'd probably be in jail for years. Is there a more racist and corrupt justice system in the first world than the American one? I doubt it. Stuff like this really grinds my gears. The west is nothing more than a caste based society, we just don't call it that officially.

If you haven't seen it already Joe Rogan recently did a podcast with an ex Baltimore police officer. A lot of the stuff people already know or assume about law enforcement in the States but coming directly from a police officer's mouth and speaking candidly about the things they do it was pretty interesting and refreshing to hear.

Spoiler!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndg-JGmYryA

[DJones]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

This is the perfect response.

Like holy ####, rich guy doesn't go to jail for possession. How is this news

[Erick Estrada]

Is he still with Erin Andrews? His arrest must have been a little humiliating for her.

[Hackey]

They were together at NASCAR like a month ago for whatever that's worth.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I wonder what line he's on....

Came for the cocaine jokes...

Left satisfied after the first reply.

[foshizzle11]

This could be a steal for the Rangers if that was an isolated episode. I think a lot people partake in things in Vegas that they likely wouldn't do back home. If this isn't isolated and he does have a problem then maybe the Rangers are taking a big gamble.

$800,000 is a lot of money to me, but I guess not for an NHL team who might just be throwing this away in the end.

For what it is worth, I don't want guys who do hard drugs like these on the Flames. I hope our leadership group for the Flames ensure this isn't happening with our younger guys or any of the guys.

[H2SO4(aq)]

1 year deal so he can sign with Vegas next season.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

This could be a steal for the Rangers if that was an isolated episode. I think a lot people partake in things in Vegas that they likely wouldn't do back home. If this isn't isolated and he does have a problem then maybe the Rangers are taking a big gamble.

$800,000 is a lot of money to me, but I guess not for an NHL team who might just be throwing this away in the end.

For what it is worth, I don't want guys who do hard drugs like these on the Flames. I hope our leadership group for the Flames ensure this isn't happening with our younger guys or any of the guys.

Apparently ol' Kipper enjoyed to partake in some partying. Heard those rumors quite a bit in his time here. Always wondered how much truth there was to them.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's incredibly lenient, I wonder how much Stoll had to pay for that sweet deal? I doubt if Joe Blow (heh) was caught doing the same thing, he'd only get a measly 32 hours of community service. That's like a few hours a month for one hockey season, probably doing the same kind of stuff he would do anyway as a member of an NHL team.

Imagine if it was African-American Joe Blow... the dude would be in jail for sure, no questions asked. Hell, if that same black guy was caught with an ounce of weed, he'd probably be in jail for years. Is there a more racist and corrupt justice system in the first world than the American one? I doubt it. Stuff like this really grinds my gears. The west is nothing more than a caste based society, we just don't call it that officially.

It is highly questionable if the American legal system is "first-world" at all. For example, having the death penalty pretty much seals the deal.

[JD]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Is there a more racist and corrupt justice system in the first world than the American one? I doubt it.

Haha, really??

Come spend some time over here in the Middle East/Africa/Asia and see. Racism is so ingrained into the cultures it's unavoidable in all facets of life, including justice. People don't even know they're doing it.

America ain't perfect but at least they're trying.

As for Stoll, he's a low-risk addition to a team that is pushing for a Cup. Wouldn't want him on our squad but he gives some grit and face-off ability to a team that needs to win it all soon before their window closes.

[ricardodw]

Is Stoll still a better 3/4 centre than Stajan?

He was part of the core on 2 SC winners....

He was #3 on LA last year that was pretty competitive team for the last playoff spots.

Kind of a guy that you really would like on your roster for cheap if you are planning to be in the playoffs.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is Stoll still a better 3/4 centre than Stajan?

No

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is Stoll still a better 3/4 centre than Stajan?

He was part of the core on 2 SC winners....

He was #3 on LA last year that was pretty competitive team for the last playoff spots.

Kind of a guy that you really would like on your roster for cheap if you are planning to be in the playoffs.

I guess it depends on what you're trying to score; goals or something for after the game?

Stajan has been what the team has needed him to be since he got here. He's inspired, been clutch when he needs to be, and been one of the vets that seems to keep the team together. Depending on the night, Stoll could be on any number of lines...and you don't want that in the dressing room.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by JD

Haha, really??

Come spend some time over here in the Middle East/Africa/Asia and see. Racism is so ingrained into the cultures it's unavoidable in all facets of life, including justice. People don't even know they're doing it.

America ain't perfect but at least they're trying.

He said first world so he might not have been including a lot of those places. I took it more as USA, Canada, parts of Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, etc. Places where you'd expect higher standards. Women can't drive in Saudi Arabia so I'm not really expecting a top notch fair legal system.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Is Stoll still a better 3/4 centre than Stajan?

He was part of the core on 2 SC winners....

He was #3 on LA last year that was pretty competitive team for the last playoff spots.

Kind of a guy that you really would like on your roster for cheap if you are planning to be in the playoffs.

At this contract it's a no brainer. I still think Stoll can play. Seems like a lot of people think the guy is finished. I don't see this like a Heatley or Setoguchi signing at all. Guess time will tell though.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by JD

Haha, really??

Come spend some time over here in the Middle East/Africa/Asia and see. Racism is so ingrained into the cultures it's unavoidable in all facets of life, including justice. People don't even know they're doing it.

America ain't perfect but at least they're trying.

That's why I added the "first world" qualifier.

That's nice that you think 'they're trying', but I think the history books are going to be incredibly harsh on the modern USA when it's all said and done, trying or not. The fact that they are still having race riots in 2015 over their broken/racist justice system tells me all I need to know (I know more than that in case someone wants to go there). Yes, some people do care and are trying but it doesn't change the fact that the US justice system is broken and caters to those that have money. 90% of other countries have an excuse, they are disorganized and primitive by comparison.

'Trying'... hahaha... sorry it just sounds so funny to me. Trying to be a plutocracy disguised as a democracy maybe, and succeeding wildly. You need to look no further than the GOP primaries to see how bad things have gotten, just listen to the crap that comes out of their mouths... and that's their would-be LEADERS. I realize they are pandering to their base, and the left isn't so crazy, but they are both beholden to their corporate masters just the same. Say whatever to get elected, then do what their real bosses want once in.... it's been this way for years. Many people down there don't even realize they're being gamed (though more and more are waking up all the time). The 'election' is now nothing more than a sideshow to make them think the America founded in 1776 is still alive and well.

The US is a sophisticated machine that runs on money and is practically owned by corporations. Those at the top don't care about things like equal justice for all, they just care about money and power. It's taken decades of engineering to get this machine running the way they want, I don't think they're going to let anyone change it easily any time soon. It will take significant 'trying' to change anything at this point, probably nothing short of a bloody revolution, and I really don't see that happening any time soon.

Cue the conspiracy meme pics/one liners but I honestly believe the US is just a complete mess right now. I can't understand how anyone doesn't see them for what they are: A nation that once had a lot of promise and contributed positively to the world but is now nothing more than a corrupt, evil empire that cares only about it's rich citizens and it's position as a superpower on the world stage.

But ya, Jarett Stoll... sorry all, about the massive derail. At least it was in a thread that will be dead in the next couple of days anyway. Or probably sooner had I not derailed it.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I guess it depends on what you're trying to score; goals or something for after the game?

Stajan has been what the team has needed him to be since he got here. He's inspired, been clutch when he needs to be, and been one of the vets that seems to keep the team together. Depending on the night, Stoll could be on any number of lines...and you don't want that in the dressing room.

The Flames missed the playoffs every year since Stajan joined them.... up til last year.

He has been on 2 of the worst teams in Flames history.... resulting in the Monahan and then Bennett draft picks.

He is a good 4th line centre, but is likely the most expensive #4 in the league. Absolutely no one expects him to be in the top 6.

His career earnings far exceed his on-ice contributions by a wide margin.... His agent likely uses him as an example of how good an agent and negotiator he is when he recruits new clients.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by DJones

This is the perfect response.

Like holy ####, rich guy doesn't go to jail for possession. How is this news

It's not news, and that's the sad part. The fact that no one cares is most telling. It's just expected that US has a two tiered justice system and you might as well mock someone who brings it up because "well duh.. of course it does, you moron"

I only brought it up in this thread because this was the first I heard of it, because seemingly everything else is more newsworthy then yet another example of corruption in the USA.

I will concede I shouldn't have brought it up in this thread, maybe the American politics thread would've been better. I even thanked the Ferrell pic, it was totally appropriate, I ranted pretty hard there. We should dedicate this thread solely to the signing of Stoll, not the fact that he's a druggie/drug dealer loser who is rich enough to elude justice.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames missed the playoffs every year since Stajan joined them.... up til last year.

He has been on 2 of the worst teams in Flames history.... resulting in the Monahan and then Bennett draft picks.

He is a good 4th line centre, but is likely the most expensive #4 in the league. Absolutely no one expects him to be in the top 6.

His career earnings far exceed his on-ice contributions by a wide margin.... His agent likely uses him as an example of how good an agent and negotiator he is when he recruits new clients.

Yeah it's all Stajan's fault the team was bad, he's total garbage. He's like a black hole of suck who sucks so bad that the efforts of the other 19 guys are completely negated by his massive suckitude.

Question: How much is Stajan worth in your eyes if his agent was able to shyster the Flames so bad? I'm guessing you think he's worth max $1.5m as a 'good' 4th line center. That is laughable considering he is good for .4 to .5 PPG most years while playing a solid 2 way game.

Stajan is a decent 3rd line center and a GREAT 4th line center. He is easily worth around $3m given his career accomplishments and comparable throughout the league. You must think Backlund is worth around $1.5m per year as well. Maybe they have the same agent?