[Signing] Caps re-sign Holtby to 5 year deal ($6.1 mil AAV)

[gt4flames]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I was talking about compared to the other goalies listed. Point was a Cup isn't really the gold standard for a quality goalie. Niemi and Crawford have Cups. Does that make them better than Kipper?

And you'd really want Fleury for the next 4 years at close to 6 million? Yikes.

The Conn Smyth trophy gives him that gold standard.

Also look at the team that plays in front of him...

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

That's fine as long as Ortio is ready to be full time starter next year. If Ortio is not ready then i would rather have Fleury for 4 years over 1b goalies Hiller and Ramo. Gillies is going to need 3-4 years until he is our starter.

As for Holtby signing i think its a good deal for both sides.

There was a surplus of goalies this summer. Options were available and always are.

Fleury for the next 4 years likely limits what we can do. Having goalies on 1 year deals gives us options and flexibility. Goalie cap space might not matter right now but in a 2,3,4 years it very well could.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by gt4flames

The Conn Smyth trophy gives him that gold standard.

Also look at the team that plays in front of him...

Conn Smythe was 8 years ago. JS Giguere has one too. Lets get him.

[Jables16]

Seems like this could be a very good contract for both sides assuming he maintains or improves his level of play from last year (but really what contract would you not say that about).

Through the Ovechkin era the Caps have searched for a true #1 with guys like Huet, Varlamov, Neuvirth, and Theodore all coming and going. Holtby had an amazing season last year (franchise record setting in some aspects IIRC), and gave them every chance to win in a very tight 7 game series against a strong Rangers team. I really think he will be a top goalie next year and Washington could be a real Cup threat.

[Hackey]

Just for clarification you guys would be happy if today Brad Treliving announced...

Calgary Flames acquire Marc Andre Fleury - 4 years remaining @ 5.75

for

Kari Ramo 1 year remaining @ 3.8
Jonas Hiller 1 year remaining @ 4.5

???

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Just for clarification you guys would be happy if today Brad Treliving announced...

Calgary Flames acquire Marc Andre Fleury - 4 years remaining @ 5.75

for

Kari Ramo 1 year remaining @ 3.8
Jonas Hiller 1 year remaining @ 4.5

???

That is an interesting scenario. You would have three more years of MAF. If he stunk it up, that contract is a boat anchor. But he played well last year. Really comes down to whether you have confidence in Ortio as I don't think Ramo or Hiller are the goalies in 2 years. Bottom line, think I would take MAF.

Back on topic, I like Holtby. Would take him at this contract and would trade all 3 of our goalies to do it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hackey

There was a surplus of goalies this summer. Options were available and always are.

Fleury for the next 4 years likely limits what we can do. Having goalies on 1 year deals gives us options and flexibility. Goalie cap space might not matter right now but in a 2,3,4 years it very well could.

If Ortio ends up being a true #1 goaltender you will have to pay him anyway. sometime in the next 2 years flames are going to be paying someone high $'s to be the #1. i dont see them trying to go the Edmonton route every year for the next 4 years.

[2macinnis2]

Meh. In today's NHL until there's a rule change the goalie position has very limited value. They're all huge and the all block a ton of the net, and pretty much all of them stop 9 of 10 shots and get some lucky great saves from positioning every now and then.

The only really elite goalie is Henrik, I could give a flip about the rest. Paying 6 million for a goalie is pretty stupid. Why not pay 20 million to a RB while you're at it.

Credit Burke for (I think) figuring this out, that you need to have a great group of skaters and wasting money on a 'good' goalie may make that more challenging in a cap world.

[trackercowe]

Uh Malkin won the Conn Smythe, not Fleury. You might want to check your facts on that one.

[thefoss1957]

Fans on Chicago fan forums are laughing at this contract...heck, most of them bitch about paying Crawford $6million per, and HIS name is on 2 Cups! Holtby has won NOTHING that matters, and I would imagine, that if he played for a team in the West, that he wouldn't be getting much more than 3 to 4 million. IMO, it's a little funny how East Coast Press hype overinflates player's perceived values. Example: P.K. Subban, A couple of 1st place finishes, but, little playoff success for his team, and the guy is getting a $9 million cap hit contract that pays a couple of $11million seasons! That seems like a lot of cash tied up in ONE guy, for a team that needs other improvements.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by 2macinnis2

Paying 6 million for a goalie is pretty stupid. Why not pay 20 million to a RB while you're at it.

Credit Burke for (I think) figuring this out, that you need to have a great group of skaters and wasting money on a 'good' goalie may make that more challenging in a cap world.

We have the 4th most cap space tied up in goaltending, not counting Ortio. And it's still probably our biggest questiomark going into the season. I don't see a lot of credit to be shared there.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Ortio ends up being a true #1 goaltender you will have to pay him anyway. sometime in the next 2 years flames are going to be paying someone high $'s to be the #1. i dont see them trying to go the Edmonton route every year for the next 4 years.

Ya your right. Marc Andre Fleury is the solution. We've seen how solid a playoff performer he is recently. Brad should hire you.

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by Itse

We have the 4th most cap space tied up in goaltending, not counting Ortio. And it's still probably our biggest questiomark going into the season. I don't see a lot of credit to be shared there.

We got to the second round with the goalies we had. Yeah, that's further than the Flames got with almost a decade after 04 with Kipper (who was legitimately an excellent goalie). By the way, the goalies weren't the reason we were eliminated, either.

And as far as cap space you reference, who cares, those goalies have zero term. If a young goalie (like Ortio) shows to be playable, then that entire cap hit vanishes in 2016 and you just have to sign an RFA.

Give em credit.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Ya your right. Marc Andre Fleury is the solution. We've seen how solid a playoff performer he is recently. Brad should hire you.

You're the one who brought up Fleury in the first place. If you don't like him that's fine, but there's no need for the sarcastic, snarky attitude.

[bax]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Fans on Chicago fan forums are laughing at this contract...heck, most of them bitch about paying Crawford $6million per, and HIS name is on 2 Cups! Holtby has won NOTHING that matters, and I would imagine, that if he played for a team in the West, that he wouldn't be getting much more than 3 to 4 million. IMO, it's a little funny how East Coast Press hype overinflates player's perceived values. Example: P.K. Subban, A couple of 1st place finishes, but, little playoff success for his team, and the guy is getting a $9 million cap hit contract that pays a couple of $11million seasons! That seems like a lot of cash tied up in ONE guy, for a team that needs other improvements.

I usually agree with most of your posts, but I think you're way off here. Holtby is one of the very best young goalies in the game, he is much better than Crawford.

You can't evaluate how good an individual player based on how many cups they have, that's just silly. Crosby only has one cup, but that doesn't make him not the best player on the world.

Holtby has elevated his game in the playoffs every time he's played in them and he's only getting better. He's their most valuable player after Ovechkin.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Ya your right. Marc Andre Fleury is the solution. We've seen how solid a playoff performer he is recently. Brad should hire you.

LOL. A little over the top with your last post. I didn't say Fleury was the solution, i said i rather have him than Ramo and Hiller. There are 10-15 other goaltenders i would take over those two. I was also saying that i don't think Flames will go the route of signing 1b goalies for the next 3-4 years just for the hope Gillies is the answer 4 years from now. If Ortio can't prove to them this year that he is a true #1 , i think they go goalie shopping for a true #1. That is going to cost money and possibly assets to get one.

I'll say this i think if Brad had to hire either you or me, judging by your post he would pick me.

[Hackey]

If your committing to Fleury for 4 more years he better be a solution. That's an awful long stop gap. Flames will likely have to acquire a goalie one way or another in the next year or two and I'm not sure what route we will take but it will be nice to have options and flexibility. Brad did kick tires on goalies this summer in Lehner and Talbot. It makes sense to look at young and upcoming goalies who could be your number 1 of the future. Getting stuck with Fleury's contract not only puts your team at risk with his consistent siv play during the playoffs but also your cap. If were gonna overpay for average goaltending let's do it on 1 year deals not 4 year deals. If were gonna roll the dice on a goalie lets do it on a young guy who has shown promise not a 31 year old who has shown he likes to crumble in the playoffs and his best days are behind him.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If your committing to Fleury for 4 more years he better be a solution. That's an awful long stop gap. Flames will likely have to acquire a goalie one way or another in the next year or two and I'm not sure what route we will take but it will be nice to have options and flexibility. Brad did kick tires on goalies this summer in Lehner and Talbot. It makes sense to look at young and upcoming goalies who could be your number 1 of the future. Getting stuck with Fleury's contract not only puts your team at risk with his consistent siv play during the playoffs but also your cap. If were gonna overpay for average goaltending let's do it on 1 year deals not 4 year deals. If were gonna roll the dice on a goalie lets do it on a young guy who has shown promise not a 31 year old who has shown he likes to crumble in the playoffs and his best days are behind him.

Que the frozen gifs

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by bax

I usually agree with most of your posts, but I think you're way off here. Holtby is one of the very best young goalies in the game, he is much better than Crawford.

You can't evaluate how good an individual player based on how many cups they have, that's just silly. Crosby only has one cup, but that doesn't make him not the best player on the world.

Holtby has elevated his game in the playoffs every time he's played in them and he's only getting better. He's their most valuable player after Ovechkin.

Meh. Crawford is pretty useless IMO. Holtby isn't much to excited about either.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bax

Holtby is one of the very best young goalies in the game, he is much better than Crawford.

Based on..?