Calgary man out of a job after racist tirade caught on video.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I remember the days when I was taught "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never break me."

Sure, but I don't recall the second verse about destruction of property and physical violence also being alright. You are aware that the man ripped off the camera before, allegedly, attacking the taxi driver with the camera, right?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I remember the days when I was taught "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never break me." Being a minority, I've experienced so-called 'racism' but it's never held me from doing whatever I wanted.

I'm all for this dickbag getting fired but it seems these days it's "sticks and stones will break my bones but words... let's put some legislation around it." This concerns me.

Also, guy lost his job. Fine. Guy is now basically unemployable as his name and this incident is all over the place because people NEED to have this feeling of justice... or more accurately, vengeance. Punishment doesn't fit the "crime" here, IMO.

He could always start driving a cab.

[ken0042]

“He punched the camera in my chest and I just opened the car and left,” said Qayyum.

That is where I am basing the assault part of the case. It seems that crossed the line between insults, and more towards "sticks and stones."

[Nufy]

Over / Under on how long until we get the statement of apology and
regret from Mr Pasloski ?

I give it 1 week...

[Ne7en]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

How far do you go though? Should he never be hired ever again? End up pulling form society instead of contributing? Does he get a chance to make a second life?

Some people can do stupid stuff and redeem themselves. I think we need to be careful how far into ruining someone we go. This in no way excuses what he said though. But even murderers get a second chance.

He should not be hired until he can figure out how not to be a racist a-hole.
I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't get a second chance, but there most definitely should be consequences.

[chemgear]

http://globalnews.ca/news/2121688/sh...ught-on-video/

It began in the early morning of November 17, 2013, when Qayyum picked up three people from a party in downtown Calgary. After dropping off two of the customers, the remaining passenger wanted to stop at a McDonald’s restaurant on the way to his home in Airdrie.

On video from a CCTV mounted on the cab’s dashboard, the passenger says “You tried to f—k me, you tried to f—me.”

“You son-of-a-bitch, you f—ing c—sucker, go back to where are from; take your wife and four kids. I feel sorry for your kids, You’re going to train them not to live in Canada, how we live in Canada.”

The passenger goes on to yell “what are you f—ing going to, strap a bomb to your body, huh?”

Qayyum endured the attack silently, only speaking to ask the passenger for directions.

“I was totally helpless,” he told Global News. “I was thinking if I couldn’t say anything to him, he might stop, but that unfortunately didn’t happen. He kept yelling at me using those f-words: ‘explode,’ ‘terrorist,’ he was using all those racist words.”

As the barrage continued, the passenger is seen yelling: “How do you sleep at night? Just think about bombs and s—t, blowing s—t up, you f—king #######, I could punch your head off.”

The passenger then rips the surveillance camera out of the cab.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Also, guy lost his job. Fine. Guy is now basically unemployable as his name and this incident is all over the place because people NEED to have this feeling of justice... or more accurately, vengeance. Punishment doesn't fit the "crime" here, IMO.

Agreed. The internet mob mentality can ruin lives.

Interesting read from earlier this year about public shaming: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/living...haming-ronson/

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Ne7en

Being a complete racist should absolutely get you fired.

Why?

Haven't watched the video and not condoning what he did, but where should the line be drawn as to what behaviour should cost you a job? Speeding ticket on the way to work? Cheating on your wife? Why stop at racial rants or FHITP comments that were video taped?

Is being charged not enough? An assault charge alone carries a lot of weight if you ever want to apply for another job that requires a background check. Cross the border. Fun things like that.

IMO the only reason it's even semi-acceptable that he's being fired, is that it was in fact coming back from a company sponsored event, and the company was paying for the cab.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Why?

Haven't watched the video and not condoning what he did, but where should the line be drawn as to what behaviour should cost you a job? Speeding ticket on the way to work? Cheating on your wife? Why stop at racial rants or FHITP comments that were video taped?

Is being charged not enough?

IMO the only reason it's even semi-acceptable that he's being fired, is that it was in fact coming back from a company sponsored event, and the company was paying for the cab.

Your job is not an inalienable right. If you're going to spout off like a racist, people aren't going to like you.

The company is within its rights to deem what is acceptable in its code of conduct for employees.

[WinnipegFan]

So the cab driver lays out a racist tirade and is only suspended..........

http://globalnews.ca/news/2048277/wa...for-ambulance/

I don't know what the answer is, but this vigilante video recording of everything is ridiculous. Every time I see anything exciting happen the crowd just whips out their cell phones and starts taping. I don't think it is out of a sense of justice, they simply want to be the first to post it and get the hits. Maybe I am wrong but that seems to be the way it goes in my opinion.

[darklord700]

The fact that it was a company paid cab made the punishment justifiable (to the company).

However, I do think there should be a line drawn here.

If say, you cheated in a friendly card game, downloaded songs and movies with copyright, could your company fire you because of these if they came to light?

[Weitz]

Company is only paying for the cab because they supplied booze at their event. Covering their ass from potential liability.

Maybe they shouldn't fire him since they are partly responsible

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Your job is not an inalienable right. If you're going to spout off like a racist, people aren't going to like you.

I think people not liking you should probably be kept separate from being fired too.

Originally Posted by Igottago

The company is within its rights to deem what is acceptable in its code of conduct for employees.

Again, I'll semi-agree with this solely for the fact he was still sort of at a company event. But it's not the first time something like this has happened recently and made headlines, and not all incidents have been at a work function. I fail to see how social conduct when not on company time should be related back to weather or not you get to keep your job.

[PostandIn]

I could only watch about half of that garbage.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ken0042

“He punched the camera in my chest and I just opened the car and left,” said Qayyum.

That is where I am basing the assault part of the case. It seems that crossed the line between insults, and more towards "sticks and stones."

While I think you're right about the line being crossed at that point into something the RCMP would be interested in, assault doesn't actually require physical contact.

Assault

• 265. (1) A person commits an assault when
  • (a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;
  • (b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or

His conduct itself is incredibly aggressive, and is arguably enough for criminal assault on its own. I would have a hard time looking at that and telling the cab driver, "surely you didn't really believe this was a person with the capacity for violence."

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

I think people not liking you should probably be kept separate from being fired too.


Again, I'll semi-agree with this solely for the fact he was still sort of at a company event. But it's not the first time something like this has happened recently and made headlines, and not all incidents have been at a work function. I fail to see how social conduct when not on company time should be related back to weather or not you get to keep your job.

Why should a private company be expected to keep someone one staff who they are embarrassed by and has damaged their reputation?

Like I said. A job is not an inalienable right. This guy is free to apologize and start rebuilding his reputation elsewhere.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

So the cab driver lays out a racist tirade and is only suspended..........

...until a full hearing where he could very well be fired.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by darklord700

The fact that it was a company paid cab made the punishment justifiable (to the company).

However, I do think there should be a line drawn here.

If say, you cheated in a friendly card game, downloaded songs and movies with copyright, could your company fire you because of these if they came to light?

If something causes embarrassment to the company they have every right to fire you even if you were doing it on your own time. In this case the company paying for the cab or not isn't relevant to be honest. The behavior and embarrassment to the company is enough to immediately remove him from his position.

It's based on severity. Your other examples aren't nearly as reprehensible as the situation being discussed. Of course if you were in a position responsible for making sure no one was pirating your studios movies and you got caught pirating movies then that would likely be a justified dismissal as well.

This typically only applies to management in a company as they are the ones who "speak" for the company...any management btw. But it can apply to all workers depending on the situation. As a manager you are representing your company 24/7/365...366 in leap years.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I completely disagree.
No company wants to be associated with an asshat like that.

Thats the thing, if it was never released where he works should he be fired? If you had an employee that you found was a racist Ahole outside of work would you fire him if he was a good worker?

Originally Posted by Ne7en

Are you serious? This jack### is about to be charged and he shouldn't lose his job? Being a complete racist should absolutely get you fired.

Why should being a racist be a reason to be fired? If he is meeting with people of other races and spouting off then for sure, see ya later. If he works in an office and does not interact with anyone else should he be fired?

For those that say he was representing his company that is kind of weak. Sure he was coming from a company function with a company issued taxi chit but would anyone really know what company he was from? This is much different then going to a conference and wearing a company logoed shirt and name badge and ranting and raving about non whites ruining the country.

Again I am in no way defending this dirtbag, he is scum, I am just saying that losing a job is a bit far. This is someones lively hood and now with his name out there he is going to have a tough time finding a new job.

[Makarov]

(1) Unless you work in a unionized workplace with a "just cause" clause in the collective agreement (or have a "just cause" clause in your private employment contract), your employer can fire you at any time for any reason (they just have to pay you appropriate damages);

(2) there are hundreds of decisions where the courts have grappled with the question of when misconduct outside of the workplace (such as criminal convictions etc) are sufficient to prove just cause for termination.