06-25-2015, 03:19 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Sorry the way you worded it read like you were saying O'Reilly was UFA this summer.
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No no. He's treating the Av's like it is though. I don't think he's wanted to be there since the offer sheet or even before. But he played nice right up until now.
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06-25-2015, 03:19 PM
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#22
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Yikes, he's good but not that good.
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He's one of the better two-way centers in the league and he's only 24 years old (with 427 games under his belt). It's a hefty ticket but as an opening figure it's really not that bad.
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06-25-2015, 03:19 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
I really like Ryan O'Reily but he's an awkward player to find a fit for. Is he a bonafide number one center? Probably not. 2nd line center? Probably better then that. Whoever pays him to be a number one guy is probably going to be disappointed but he'll make too much to slot into a 2nd line role.
A team could probably live with 5-6 million, "elite" 2nd line money like Kesler makes, but he's going to get 2-3 million more.
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He almost has to play that Patrice Bergeron role, where he's good enough to be the top-line scoring center but you give him the heavy defensive responsibility instead. Obviously he's not on the same level as Bergeron, but he has a pretty strong defensive game.
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06-25-2015, 03:24 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Bye Bye ROR. Avs will be happier than Sheet to pay Soderberg 5x5 instead of ROR's stupid asking price.
I guarantee Soderberg and the Avs have something in place.
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That would be a brutal deal for Soderberg. He is 29, only has 2 NHL seasons, and has never topped 20 goals or 50 points.
I think I would rather pay ROR what he wants than $5 million per season for Soderberg. He's a decent player, but he is more on the level of Backlund and is already at his likely peak.
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06-25-2015, 03:26 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
That would be a brutal deal for Soderberg. He is 29, only has 2 NHL seasons, and has never topped 20 goals or 50 points.
I think I would rather pay ROR what he wants than $5 million per season for Soderberg. He's a decent player, but he is more on the level of Backlund and is already at his likely peak.
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Disagree, better than Backund. Not much to say other than that. You'd rather fork out 60 million over 8 years when you know you have a bunch other guys you're going to need to re-sign in that time span? 5x5 for Soderberg in this day and age is a good deal. 29 or not.
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06-25-2015, 03:28 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Disagree, better than Backund. Not much to say other than that. You'd rather fork out 60 million over 8 years when you know you have a bunch other guys you're going to need to re-sign in that time span? 5x5 for Soderberg in this day and age is a good deal. 29 or not.
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Much bigger too. 20 lbs heavier and 3 inches taller.
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06-25-2015, 03:30 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
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Avs have their top two centres in place in Duchene and Mackinnon. Dealing ROR for help on D and signing Soderberg to be their #3 centre is a damn fine move.
ROR involved in a deal with ARZ to get the #3 overall and then they draft Hanifin. Magic.
10th + ROR for 3rd?
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06-25-2015, 03:33 PM
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#28
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Soderberg still needs to sign there.
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06-25-2015, 03:33 PM
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#29
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NB
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Apparently he's legally blind in his left eye, next season make sure to stay to his left as much as possible!
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06-25-2015, 03:35 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Would anyone do O'Reilly for Wideman? Assuming the Flames have good leads for a UFA d-man like Mike Green? O'Reilly would look pretty good as Bennett's center.
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06-25-2015, 03:35 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Would anyone do O'Reilly for Wideman? Assuming the Flames have good leads for a UFA d-man like Mike Green? O'Reilly would look pretty good as Bennett's center.
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the Avs certainly wouldn't
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06-25-2015, 03:36 PM
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#32
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Soderberg still needs to sign there.
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They have probably already agreed to a framework on the deal or at the very least the Avalanche have no issues on what Soderberg is asking for.
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06-25-2015, 03:36 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Arizona is the Right place for ROR. The trade up to #3 to #10 is good for the Yotes. ROR is 24 and can be part of the core with OEL.
Avs get their D man and the Yotes get ROR and whoever they like @10.
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06-25-2015, 03:37 PM
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#34
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Would anyone do O'Reilly for Wideman? Assuming the Flames have good leads for a UFA d-man like Mike Green? O'Reilly would look pretty good as Bennett's center.
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He would look good as Bennett's center but you're totally ignoring our defence and future cap space.
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06-25-2015, 03:37 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Would anyone do O'Reilly for Wideman?
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no. The Flames will need a lot of cap space in a couple of years to re-sign their young stars and a long-term big money deal for ROR wouldn't be very helpful in that regard. Plus I wouldn't want the Flames to get Green, I'd rather keep Wideman.
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06-25-2015, 03:37 PM
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#36
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallex
He's one of the better two-way centers in the league and he's only 24 years old (with 427 games under his belt). It's a hefty ticket but as an opening figure it's really not that bad.
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For sure he's a good player. But I don't think it's a great idea to pay a #2 center almost 8 million, unless he's absolutely elite. I don't think ROR is. Or perhaps someone feels he's a #1 center, but I don't think he is.
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06-25-2015, 03:38 PM
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#37
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
They have probably already agreed to a framework on the deal or at the very least the Avalanche have no issues on what Soderberg is asking for.
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Perhaps, the acquiror always seem to sign the guys they give up picks for, but if I'm a UFA, I don't understand why he wouldn't test the waters.
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From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
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06-25-2015, 03:40 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Perhaps, the acquiror always seem to sign the guys they give up picks for, but if I'm a UFA, I don't understand why he wouldn't test the waters.
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Well he kind of did. All the teams are allowed to talk to him today.
Trading for his rights lets the Avalanche sign him right away without waiting till July 1st.
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06-25-2015, 03:41 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Perhaps, the acquiror always seem to sign the guys they give up picks for, but if I'm a UFA, I don't understand why he wouldn't test the waters.
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The UFA interview phase began today. In fact because of this new thing where UFA's can talk to other teams a week before free agency begins kind of limits trading picks for negotiating rights. Which is why I for one think like sureloss posted, that there is in fact a deal already in words between the Avs and Soderberg.
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06-25-2015, 03:43 PM
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#40
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Would anyone do O'Reilly for Wideman? Assuming the Flames have good leads for a UFA d-man like Mike Green? O'Reilly would look pretty good as Bennett's center.
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They would never, I imagine they'll trade him for futures/D prospects, not a 30+ year old player.
However he is an absolutely fantastic player and would kill to have him on the Flames. Would compliment Bennett/Johnny/Monahan so well, 4 core forwards with great all around game. However...at 7-8M? Maybe if the cap was 80 million, but it's too rich for us. I'm fine with what we have going now then go after ROR and potentially be in big cap problems down the road.
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