I think he'll benefit greatly from a full summer working with the Flames' training staff (or training with a plan laid out by the Flames' staff), and a full Bob Hartley training camp.
My one standout memory of Shore this season was late in the third period of his first game in Arizona. During a stoppage, the camera panned along the Flames' bench and while none of them were fresh as daisies, Shore was huffing and puffing pretty heavily on the bench.
He will definitely have every chance to make the team in the fall.
__________________
Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to getbak For This Useful Post:
I like what Shore brings.. basically what we want out of Colborne. I'd love a "big" line, something like Colborne-Monahan-Shore, that can just cycle teams to death down low.
__________________
"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
Honestly from what I have seen he is a better option than Colborne. I am a fan of his game. I thought he deserved more of a look, but it's hard to complain about that all things considered.
I definitely expect him to solidify a full time roster spot during the pre-season.
Given his waiver status, I think he is a lock for the big club, perhaps bottom 6 to start, but I do think he'll be treated in a similar mannerto Colborne. Some will be crying that he didn't earn it, but we picked him up knowing he would need to stay up on the big club next year, and I understood that Treliving held on to him at the deadline, with some offers incoming from third parties (not sure what was offered, tbh).
__________________
From HFBoard oiler fan, in analyzing MacT's management:
O.K. there has been a lot of talk on whether or not MacTavish has actually done a good job for us, most fans on this board are very basic in their analysis and I feel would change their opinion entirely if the team was successful.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Fighting Banana Slug For This Useful Post:
I don't think Shore was used nearly enough this past season. But the depth and chemistry were pretty deep this year. A full off season, a new contract and the belief he can come in a take a spot will hopefully do wonders for him.
At this point with Shore I think it is going to be about getting some consistent ice time with the Flames. Allowing a comfort level to set in between him and the team.
He looked okay in the playoff game he got. Which is a positive for me.
I like Shore, but IMO from what I have seen he was not close to a better option than Colborne.
Given the opportunities they were each given, sure. I would agree with that.
I was more so trying to say that I believe that Shore could bring more to the table if given a similar role.
Personally from what I see Shore thinks the game at a higher level and competes more consistently in all three zones but then again Colborne does have those brief flashes of dominance that lead you to believe he can put it all together with time.
This is Shore's first Flames camp and he gets a fresh start, having had a taste of what the organization wants out of him. He's on the cusp of becoming an NHL player. I think this will be a real good season for him. I think he'll earn a spot and as time goes on, he'll solidify his spot in the lineup.
I don't buy that Hartley doesn't like him. Not one bit. Hartley's job was to ice the best possible lineup to get the team into the playoffs. He did exactly that. You cannot fault him AT ALL for not playing Shore enough.
Trevling has said many times that there is no rush to give any player a spot and that it's okay to over-ripen in the minors. Shore's contract pretty much guarantees that he's up with the big club however. But I think with a full camp under his belt, we'll see what he's all about.
If they need to make room for Shore, it will be at the expense of Raymond IMO. We won't miss his offence because he didn't really produce any, so it seems to make sense to add a versatile player like Shore to replace a one dimensional player who couldn't fulfill his role.
Lost in this is Granlund, who I think is an NHL player right now. Does another year in the AHL help him? I'd guess not.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Temporary_User
I will eat a pubic hair if Giordano ever plays in the NHL again
Yeah, unless some people saw a lot of him in college hockey, or in San Antonio I don't know how there could be any strong opinions on him one way or the other.
I definitely hope he works out though! He's got a lot of physical upsides that we need. I'm looking forward to seeing what he brings to camp.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipetype
k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
I wondered during the season if Shore just wasn't up to Hartley's fitness standards and then never caught up. IMO he never played himself out of the lineup.
I agree he can be traded before the season to avoid waivers, but it won't be a good trading scenario. It will be like Colborne, only in reverse. So I hope he's used more, if for nothing else than to increase his value.
If they need to make room for Shore, it will be at the expense of Raymond IMO. We won't miss his offence because he didn't really produce any, so it seems to make sense to add a versatile player like Shore to replace a one dimensional player who couldn't fulfill his role.
Lost in this is Granlund, who I think is an NHL player right now. Does another year in the AHL help him? I'd guess not.
I agree it would be much better to have more grit and defensive play than Raymond offered.
His lack of offensive contribution is a little overstated. He had 23 points in 57 games (.4 PPG) and 12 of those were goals. It's the same PPG as Jooris, who everyone loves, better than Granlund who you mentioned, way better than Byron and not far off of Jones, Colborne, Bouma. All of whom have more rounded games but we are talking offesnive production only here.
I actually think there's a decent chance Raymond's offence will improve next year, if he doesn't have a big interruption in the season like he did. But I agree that similar points from a 200 foot player is better. Or even less points assuming Bennett, Ferland and maybe Shore or Poirier make them up.
There's an awful lot of depth on this team at forward. Shore is knocking on the door, but much like his defensive counterpart Wotherspoon I believe Hartley is implementing him slowly.
Guys like Monahan, Jooris and Gaudreau earned his trust straight away, but there must be something about Shore and Wotherspoon that makes Hartley trepidatious about putting them straight into the lineup. I doubt it's anything serious; it's probably sheer lack of experience.
I am of the mindset that there will be some player movement this summer to accommodate some of this young talent. I wonder if they look at moving Jones, Raymond or even Stajan at the draft. Maybe even Backlund gets dangled... They can't really afford to trade them all, but one or 2 forwards could garner a decent enough return.
We'd be plenty competitive with a forward lineup like this:
I thought he looked just okay....I'm not convinced he is a regular top 9 forward....If he doesn't distinguish himself soon he becomes an easily replaceable asset at the bottom of your roster.
I also was a little surprised at how little he was used but I am not too concerned about it. This camp and upcoming first 20 games will be where the decision about him will be made.
And do I ever like it that even our 4th line/13th forward spots aren't gimmies any more. I kept trying to do 2016-17 and 17-18 roster projections and I can't do it. Too many possibilities.
I like the guy's size but wasn't impressed by much else. His skating is fine but he didn't use the body as much as a guy his size should. I don't know whether he makes the team in the future, or whether he ends up as trade bait to get us another young defenseman. I won't be disappointed either way.
