If you were in Treliving's shoes would you use or threaten to use an offer sheet?

[AC]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Penner and Pronger (from Hartford to St. Louis I think)are 2 that come to mind.

The Pronger one was weird though because they ended up negotiating on the compensation. It wasn't straight up draft picks.

I don't think Penner was a "win" for the Oilers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

No

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

A question, will all the picks have to be given away on the same draft year?

Yes.

Clubs cannot acquire picks to use as compensation (with the exception being a Club's own draft selections that are traded and then re-acquired).

Clubs owing one (1) draft selection must have it available in the next draft.

Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in different rounds must have them available in the next draft.

Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in different rounds must have them
available in the next draft.

Clubs owing two (2) draft selections in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.

Clubs owing three (3) draft selections in the same round must have them available in the next four (4) drafts, and so on.

When a Club owes two (2) or more draft selections in the same round, the
signing Club does not elect the years in which such selections shall be awarded to the Prior Club; rather, the selections next available will be transferred to the
Prior Club (i.e., a Club that owes two (2) selections has them available in the next two (2) drafts – that is when they are transferred).

[dammage79]

You have to use every option available to you to improve you team, regardless of your moral stance on one of those options.

If there's a feasible option out there on the list or you know you have a rival GM on the ropes and working him via threat of an offer sheet is the thing that pushes him over the edge and caves, you do it.

[mrkajz44]

I picked yes only because you have to look at all your options to get better as a team. That said, I doubt we'd offer on anyone other than Hamilton, and that might be a waste of time anyway.

[Cflames_12.5]

Vladimir Tarasenko I think he would instantly improve our top six. Plays right wing scores almost 40 goals. I'd give him 5.5 range.

[cam_wmh]

I'm apprehensive of this strategy, with Monahan, & Gaudreau's ELC's expiring next summer. We'd be ripe for retaliation from Boston next summer as they have a couple significant contracts that will be off the books.

They could also, quite vindictively, artificially inflate these 2 re-signings without the actual intent of acquiring.

Additionally Russell next summer is a UFA. With those thoughts in mind, I don't think it's wise.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

I'm apprehensive of this strategy, with Monahan, & Gaudreau's ELC's expiring next summer. We'd be ripe for retaliation from Boston next summer as they have a couple significant contracts that will be off the books.

They could also, quite vindictively, artificially inflate these 2 re-signings without the actual intent of acquiring.

Additionally Russell next summer is a UFA. With those thoughts in mind, I don't think it's wise.

Gaudreau wouldn't be eligible for an offer sheet. He won't have the necessary 3 years pro experience as defined by the CBA.

[Igster]

Offer sheets just don't seem right to me. I know they are part of the CBA, but they just seem wrong. I say no. Build your team through the draft, trades and UFA signings.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Vladimir Tarasenko I think he would instantly improve our top six. Plays right wing scores almost 40 goals. I'd give him 5.5 range.

He will be looking for more than that from St. Louis. Hell St. Louis will probably throw a kegger if they could sign him for that.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I would OS Toffoli from the Kings. Give them hell.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Vladimir Tarasenko I think he would instantly improve our top six. Plays right wing scores almost 40 goals. I'd give him 5.5 range.

Tarasenko is going to get paid. Unless you want us offer sheeting an 8x8 to get him, no thanks.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Igster

Offer sheets just don't seem right to me. I know they are part of the CBA, but they just seem wrong.

Why???

If a team doesn't want to play a player what another team thinks they are worth, there must be a mechanism for that to happen. This is it.

[Larry David]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12.5

Vladimir Tarasenko I think he would instantly improve our top six. Plays right wing scores almost 40 goals. I'd give him 5.5 range.

I'd love the Flames to sign Tarasenko too, but I doubt he would sign with the Flames(or anyone) at that price. Even if he did, St. Louis would match that (and offers higher) without blinking an eye.

I voted NO, waste of time for that very reason. The only players that generally get an offer sheet and not have the other team match is if the player is not an elite talent and the other team greatly over-pays. Elite talents like Tarasenko will get matched every single time.

[The Original FFIV]

Honest question, has a team that has used the offer sheet route in recent times gone on to have substantial success as a result of that offer sheet?

In recent times, Edmonton has offer sheeted twice, Philadelphia twice, Vancouver, St Louis (in retaliation for Vancouver's offer sheet), San Jose and us have done it once.

Only once has it worked out (Penner) and we know who came out on top on that one.

Have to say no, we shouldn't at this stage. Would short circuit the rebuild plan and the likelihood of an offer sheet not being matched is slim. Stick with draft and develop please.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Why???

If a team doesn't want to play a player what another team thinks they are worth, there must be a mechanism for that to happen. This is it.

Just doesn't feel right to me. Again, I know it's part of the CBA, but it seems underhanded and a way to try and screw around other teams.

[Cflames_12.5]

I'd be willing to go the 7.4 range but not the last one. 4 first rounders would be crazy. Tarasenko would set our top six.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think I had Pronger confused as being part of the Shanahan and Scott Stevens offersheets.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Honest question, has a team that has used the offer sheet route in recent times gone on to have substantial success as a result of that offer sheet?

In recent times, Edmonton has offer sheeted twice, Philadelphia twice, Vancouver, St Louis (in retaliation for Vancouver's offer sheet), San Jose and us have done it once.

Only once has it worked out (Penner) and we know who came out on top on that one.

Have to say no, we shouldn't at this stage. Would short circuit the rebuild plan and the likelihood of an offer sheet not being matched is slim. Stick with draft and develop please.

Well not recent times, but the whole offer sheet Scott Stevens, then next year offer sheet Brendan Shanahan looks crazy for the St. Louis Blues, but gave them 4 years of Shanahan and then got them Pronger, so you could say that was franchise changing move.

But ya, the only one that hasn't been matched since 1997 is Dustin Penner, but that doesn't mean there will never be another offer sheet accepted and not matched. This could be a perfect offseason to try it, depending on what the cap ends up being.

[united]

To start, I don't think any offer sheet scenario is reasonable as the targeted player still has to sign it, which means you are probably offering significantly more than what his current team is and probably more than what he is worth.

But, never say never. If the possibility is there of course you take it if the price is right and the player is willing.

I also condone strategic offer sheets against divisional rivals, though the opportunity for that scenario is even more unlikely. If you can inflate a teams spending by a million or two, that could be huge a couple years down the road when you are competing directly against them in the playoffs.

So in short, if things align where it makes sense absolutely you do. However that rarely happens.