So I sold my tickets to Game #3...

[Robbob]

the company should make it a taxable benefit for that employee that sold them. Make him pay tax on the $1000 he got.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by calf

I'd say he's not morally right here. The intention of the office lottery is to give someone in the office the chance to go to a game who may not have had a chance otherwise, given the demand for tickets. He had no intention of going, so should not have been in the lottery.

Should have offered to sell them to co-workers first.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by troutman

Should have offered to sell them to co-workers first.

In my STH group we have agreed to offer them to the other members before selling to someone else.

[calf]

Originally Posted by troutman

Should have offered to sell them to co-workers first.

That would have exposed him for the a-hole he is to their face, instead of behind their back.

[sureLoss]

I have heard that some scalpers try to sell tickets for outrageous prices (like much higher than the secondary market) to naive customers and when they get someone willing to buy for said outrageous price they buy it cheaper on the secondary market then give it to the customer.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I have heard that some scalpers try to sell tickets for outrageous prices (like much higher than the secondary market) to naive customers and when they get someone willing to buy for said outrageous price they buy it cheaper on the secondary market then give it to the customer.

... and that, ladies & gentlemen, is exactly how sureLoss got introduced to the furniture & appliances wholesale business.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

That was the general consensus around the office. The guy said the rules did not specify no re-selling and he was right too, they didn't.

Well he is never going to win another draw at that office again.

[Weitz]

My buddy bought tickets to game 6 off one of the bigger re-sellers in town and he mentioned that he thinks prices will come down for round 2 on the secondary market since its not another canadian team playing.

Hopefully so I can afford to go!

Anyone know when the lottery for tickets (if there will be one) will be?

[mrkajz44]

Yeah, selling tickets that you got for free for a massive profit is just slimy.

I knew some people who got given season tickets by a family friend and then turned around and sold them for a nice little profit. They thought they were so smart for doing that. I asked them why didn't they ask us if we could use the tickets and there was just silence. Such a shame - someone tries to be nice and give you tickets, and you profit off that? (this wasn't the playoffs though, would have been 10x madder if it had been).

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Meh, this is normal greed with no moral strings attached. We've had a lottery in the office for 2 playoff tickets and the guy winning the lottery sold his pair of tickets for $1,000 immediately. The general office verdict was that he's an a...hole. He thought he was perfectly entitled to do so morally. Here's an ethical dilemma for you.

Before I jump to conclusions, I need something clarified. Did he sell the tickets he won in the draw, or did he sell his own tickets that he held outside of work? If he sold the work tickets, that's dbag thing to do. The office tickets should be used only for office people (and a guest?), especially if the company has paid for them and is giving them away for free.

If the guy sold his own tickets after winning, I don't have a problem with that. He won tickets from the office draw and he is using them personally. What he does with his own tickets is nobody's business but his own. Just because he has something (in this case tickets) doesn't mean he should be excluded from winning a draw that everyone else at work has access to.

[CaptainYooh]

He sold the tickets won in the lottery. And not only that, he was bragging to others about how he doesn't care for hockey after selling them. Yes, unfortunately, people like this do exist. My story was an illustration of the profiteering vs. unethical behaviour. Re-selling tickets you bought somewhere in an open auction is petty profiteering but it's not immoral. Re-selling tickets gifted to you is, even when there are no written rules about it.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Before I jump to conclusions, I need something clarified. Did he sell the tickets he won in the draw, or did he sell his own tickets that he held outside of work? If he sold the work tickets, that's dbag thing to do. The office tickets should be used only for office people (and a guest?), especially if the company has paid for them and is giving them away for free.

If the guy sold his own tickets after winning, I don't have a problem with that. He won tickets from the office draw and he is using them personally. What he does with his own tickets is nobody's business but his own. Just because he has something (in this case tickets) doesn't mean he should be excluded from winning a draw that everyone else at work has access to.

I think the other question is whether this was this a give-away or more like a raffle for the for the tickets. I think if you had to put in $20 or something I'd be more sympathetic to reselling after. However if it was a give-away, it is pretty scummy to resell.

How did people find out anyway?

[GP_Matt]

We often give out tickets to employees if we can't take a client to a game. If I ever heard that they were sold the employee would never see another pair and we would probably report the tickets as taxable income.

[troutman]

I assume the employer wanted an employee to have the experience of going to a playoff game.

If the employer just wanted to give a cash bonus to an employee, they could have done that instead.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

In my STH group we have agreed to offer them to the other members before selling to someone else.

This brings up an issue I wanted to. In my group I had tickets to game six and once we knew there was a game six I told one of the other guys that I was probably going to sell them (calm down...no way I was going to do that!)

He immediately freaked out and said I had to sell to one of them first. I disagree because they're my tickets; we split them but if I want to sell my seats then I should be able to. If someone wants to pay a ridiculous amount to go, why shouldn't I sell them?

Its purely a hypothetical in the sense that I'm not selling anyway.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Slava

This brings up an issue I wanted to. In my group I had tickets to game six and once we knew there was a game six I told one of the other guys that I was probably going to sell them (calm down...no way I was going to do that!)

He immediately freaked out and said I had to sell to one of them first. I disagree because they're my tickets; we split them but if I want to sell my seats then I should be able to. If someone wants to pay a ridiculous amount to go, why shouldn't I sell them?

Its purely a hypothetical in the sense that I'm not selling anyway.

I'm just angry you didn't invite your best friend.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Slava

He immediately freaked out and said I had to sell to one of them first. I disagree because they're my tickets; we split them but if I want to sell my seats then I should be able to. If someone wants to pay a ridiculous amount to go, why shouldn't I sell them?

The polite thing to do would be offer them to the group but I agree with you. Your tickets if you want to miss the game and make money off them I don't think you're under any obligation to sell them to the group. Unless of course there was some sort of agreement at the beginning of the season, he has no right to make up rules now. IMO.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'm just angry you didn't invite your best friend.

I was out of town that day.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Slava

This brings up an issue I wanted to. In my group I had tickets to game six and once we knew there was a game six I told one of the other guys that I was probably going to sell them (calm down...no way I was going to do that!)

He immediately freaked out and said I had to sell to one of them first. I disagree because they're my tickets; we split them but if I want to sell my seats then I should be able to. If someone wants to pay a ridiculous amount to go, why shouldn't I sell them?

Its purely a hypothetical in the sense that I'm not selling anyway.

Your friend is right, it's a dick-move.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by troutman

I'm just angry you didn't invite your best friend.

It's cute when lawyers think they have friends...