Missing C-8, if found please return to CPS

[worth]

I'm talking more on the civilian side, when transporting a restricted firearm you are supposed to go from A to B only, meaning the range to the safe. But anyway, when I was going from Wainwright to Calgary, we always used the rifles in stores at Wainwright, never transported our own rifles from Calgary I don't think.

[Northendzone]

so if the thief had yet to figure out how to open the box, he now knows what is in it.

[handgroen]

https://twitter.com/simpsonsqotd/sta...57757526732800


"Now where did I put my gun? Oh yeah, I set it down on the table when I went to get a piece of cake..."

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

so if the thief had yet to figure out how to open the box, he now knows what is in it.

I reckon he knew, or had a good idea, of the type of "thing" that was in it...

[photon]

Originally Posted by zyzz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S3mjw1FqvkA

Trigger discipline?!? Yikes.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

so if the thief had yet to figure out how to open the box, he now knows what is in it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I heard him say the large security straps weren't on, but it was locked. So...simple set of cutters, and anyone can get in.

Hopefully, it's just someone who was after a quick sale item, and now, with the media exposure, realizes how serious it is, and anonymously turns it in somehow.

Would hate for this to fall into the hands of someone who knows someone that wants it, or for this to have been a targeted theft.

[Nage Waza]

This gun is pretty much par for available hunting rifles that you can buy anywhere. What might make it unique is the type of magazine CPS has available to them.

Guns similar to this are everywhere.

The cop would be breaking all sorts of rules leaving it in a car, the same rules that exist for all gun owners.

[blueski]

Originally Posted by worth

I'm really surprised service weapons can actually be taken home at all. While I was in there Army, there was absolutely zero chance of this ever happening, I thought it would have been the same procedure for CPS.

I'd be fine with this if they drove the speed limit and didn't blow through red light cameras at the same time.

[llwhiteoutll]

Some much needed clarity.

CPS uses the Colt C8A2. Semi-automatic, equipped with an EOTech Holo Sight and flashlight. You can pick up the EXACT same setup for about $3,000. The only exception are the mags, the standard cap mags are considered a prohibited device for civilian use. The most a civilian could load into that rifle and still be legal is 14+1

It is legal to transport magazines while they are loaded. It is legal to transport said mags in the same case as the rifle. It is legal to stop for food while transporting a firearm.

The fact that it is a C8 does not make it "scary" either. If you feel that way, then you'd be better off not thinking about the better and more "scary" looking guns that civilians in Calgary own.

If the news is correct and the rifle locked up and in a locked case and steps were taken to conceal it from sight, then there are no charges under the FA. It would be internal department policy.

[La Flames Fan]

Prior to the news getting at what happened there was an almost live thread on Reddit about them searching vehicles at Crowfoot Crossing...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comm...s_at_crowfoot/

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The fact that it is a C8 does not make it "scary" either. If you feel that way, then you'd be better off not thinking about the better and more "scary" looking guns that civilians in Calgary own.

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What makes this "scary" is that it might not be a law abiding member of society that has come into possession of this weapon. The shortened barrel and telescopic buttstock make this an excellent weapon for someone that wants to use if an a nefarious manner. Also, the weapon came equipped with ammunition, also not a good thing for the ne'er do wells of society to have in their possession.

Yeah I don't think there was ammunition as well, my bad.

That is what makes this a "scary" situation.

[llwhiteoutll]

Shortened as opposed to what barrel length? How does that impact what a actions or ease of actions can be taken?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Shortened as opposed to what barrel length? How does that impact what a actions or ease of actions can be taken?

A standard AR-16 or C7 has a longer barrel, IIRC, it is about 6 inches shorter. Also the shorter/collapsed buttstock makes this weapon easier to conceal, if you really want to go all Hollywood it was be pretty easy to hide under a long coat. Easier to use in confined spaces (like vehicles), hell easier to use period cuz it isn't as heavy. Less kick back when fired.

In short the C8 is easier to use and conceal that a C7.

Initially, when brought into circulation the C8 was to replace the SMG (total POS).

[Wormius]

Out of curiosity - is ammunition for guns for law enforcement and military non-standard, so that if say some ne'er do well ever got one, they would have no source of ammunition for them?

[llwhiteoutll]

None of those affect how a firearm that is obtained illegally will be used. The proper or improper use of a firearm and any risk associated with that use starts and ends with the user.

Sure, this one is a bit less cumbersome than a C7, but nothing stops someone from hacking off a few inches of barrel or spending a few minutes to change stocks. Even at 30" OAL, you're not concealing much if you put it under a coat. The rifle that was stolen is no more dangerous or scary than the vast majority of commercially available rifles.

Originally Posted by Wormius

Out of curiosity - is ammunition for guns for law enforcement and military non-standard, so that if say some ne'er do well ever got one, they would have no source of ammunition for them?

LE and civilians have access to the same ammunition.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

None of those affect how a firearm that is obtained illegally will be used. The proper or improper use of a firearm and any risk associated with that use starts and ends with the user.

Sure, this one is a bit less cumbersome than a C7, but nothing stops someone from hacking off a few inches of barrel or spending a few minutes to change stocks. Even at 30" OAL, you're not concealing much if you put it under a coat. The rifle that was stolen is no more dangerous or scary than the vast majority of commercially available rifles.

So to be clear, you don't think that a weapon, any weapon, "disappearing" into unknown hands is "scary"?

I sure as #### do.

Listen, I love shooting. I have shot a lot of different weapons. I have seen the damage that these types of weapons do to the human body first hand and up close.

The possibility that some idiot is walking around with this weapon is "scary".

The commerically availible rifles are obtained via legal means, and sold (or should be) to competent law abiding weapon owners. This weapon is god knows where.

Whiteout, I don't think I have been clear. Sorry. It is not the weapon per se that scares me. It is the situation, the disappearance of the weapon that scares me.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

LE and civilians have access to the same ammunition.

Can civilians purchase tracer?

[llwhiteoutll]

I'd say that we agree then. Having a firearm out on the streets in criminal hands is definitely a situation that no one wants to have happen and it is scary that it's out there in the hands of someone who will most certainly use it in some criminal action.

Tracer is legal. But it's expensive as hell (last 9mm and 5.56 I saw was $1/round) and apparently the CBSA isn't letting it into Canada anymore. See some up for sale every now and then.

[N-E-B]

This officer should be facing charges for neglect of duty. What an idiotic thing to do. If he's going to take his firearm home, the first thing he should have done was brought it home, then go for dinner.

[calgarywinning]

I believe the searches they conducted on site were also illegal? Does anybody have any insight?

Cop loses gun starts illegally searching persons/vehicles without cause?