I am not crazy: Jiri Hudler should get Hart consideration - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Phanuthier · 04-03-2015, 12:14 PM

Never thought I'd say this, but I think it goes to Devan Dubynk.

Blaster86 · 04-03-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pylon

Blaster, I don't think it is as funny as you seem to think it is. There is so much parity this year, an argument could be made for 20 players right now.

You can make an argument through rose coloured glasses for 20 players. Hudler's one. Vrbata's another for the Canucks. Turris in Ottawa. They're not even so far and away important on their individual team to be the run away MVP, let alone the MVP of the entire league.

When you have guys like Price who are carrying their team to the top of a division, or Dubnyk who are carrying their team out of lottery territory to the play-offs. Or looking at how Chicago has suffered without Kane. Then your eastern darlings in Ovechkin and Crosby.

Hudler's contribution is good, but not on this level. If I were Monahan I'd take umbrage with the thought that Hudler's what got him 30. Kid is a gamer, and would likely do that with any one. It's not like he's Burrows to Hudler's Sedin.

Red Menace · 04-03-2015, 01:42 PM

Here's perhaps a more reasonable possibility/question: Can Hudler make the final season 1st team or 2nd team All Star spot?

I would guess the C's would be Tavares and Crosby (maybe Backstrom)
Not really sure who qualifies as LW or RW, but I would think the top wingers in the discussion are:
Ovechkin, Nash, Tarasenko, Benn, Stamkos, Voracek, Pacioretty

can Hudler crack the top 4 in that list? probably not, but he'll be close.

Enoch Root · 04-03-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

You can make an argument through rose coloured glasses for 20 players. Hudler's one. Vrbata's another for the Canucks. Turris in Ottawa. They're not even so far and away important on their individual team to be the run away MVP, let alone the MVP of the entire league.

When you have guys like Price who are carrying their team to the top of a division, or Dubnyk who are carrying their team out of lottery territory to the play-offs. Or looking at how Chicago has suffered without Kane. Then your eastern darlings in Ovechkin and Crosby.

Hudler's contribution is good, but not on this level. If I were Monahan I'd take umbrage with the thought that Hudler's what got him 30. Kid is a gamer, and would likely do that with any one. It's not like he's Burrows to Hudler's Sedin.

The OP said consideration, not that he deserved to win it.

And I wouldn't be surprised if both Hudler and Vrbata garner a local vote or two.

Blaster86 · 04-03-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The OP said consideration, not that he deserved to win it.

And I wouldn't be surprised if both Hudler and Vrbata garner a local vote or two.

He doesn't deserve consideration, unless you want to put rose coloured glasses on.

Enoch Root · 04-03-2015, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

He doesn't deserve consideration, unless you want to put rose coloured glasses on.

right up there with: do you even watch the games?

AC · 04-03-2015, 03:28 PM

I would agree he's probably been Calgary's MVP this season. We seem so dependent on our 1st line now, which is Hudler and 2 kids. It's crazy.

I don't think Monahan and Gaudreau would have come even close to their totals without Hudler. He won't get Hart consideration though.

Calgary4LIfe · 04-03-2015, 03:45 PM

I think he deserves consideration, but he won't get it.

It isn't just the offensive production. That alone would put him on the perimeter of any serious Hart consideration. Yes, he is 7th in the league in points, but that doesn't really qualify in itself for any consideration really.

It is what he has brought to the team. His leadership, the way he has mentored Gaudreau and Monahan. How Hartley has loved using him with the youth - the same youth that are pushing this team most nights. The way he has not only bought-into what Hartley has been preaching, but how he has helped guide the youth into playing that way.

Will he get consideration? No. If anything, Giordano would garner more consideration at this point, and you can make a very good argument as to why. I don't think Hudler will get any real recognition outside of the organization. Just the way things are. Not when you have Price keeping Montreal up there (really don't think they are that strong of a team), not with Ovechkin getting another 50 goals, not with Stamkos not only scoring, but leading by example at times and fighting (if you can call it fighting), not with a few other guys league-wide who have been simply outstanding to their respective teams.

It is 'homerism' to think that Hudler will get consideration. It is NOT homerism to think he deserves some. He absolutely has. Anyone that thinks Hudler hasn't been absolutely tremendous to the organization on and off the scoresheet hasn't been paying any attention. I was not really on the 'trade Hudler' bandwagon last year - though I thought at the time it might have been a prudent decision. I am thinking Hudler is pretty much irreplaceable at this time, and him and Giordano have both been the catalysts as why the Flames play the way they do, and where they are in the standings. They have both influenced the culture on this team in ways you simply can't measure - and that is why neither one of them gets serious attention.

Deserve it? Yes. Will they actually get any consideration? Not by any media outside of Calgary, unfortunately. Just the way things go.

Blaster86 · 04-03-2015, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

right up there with: do you even watch the games?

If you say so.

If you think Jiri Hudler has been the most valuable player to their team in the NHL, you're out to lunch. There's just no way.

KootenayFlamesFan · 04-03-2015, 11:37 PM

Love him, but no. Great season, but he's no MVP candidate.

Enoch Root · 04-04-2015, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

If you say so.

If you think Jiri Hudler has been the most valuable player to their team in the NHL, you're out to lunch. There's just no way.

When did I ever say that? I merely explained what the OP was suggesting, and stated that I wouldn't be surprised if he (and Vrbata) received a local vote or two.

Blaster86 · 04-04-2015, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When did I ever say that? I merely explained what the OP was suggesting, and stated that I wouldn't be surprised if he (and Vrbata) received a local vote or two.

And that local vote would be through rose coloured glasses.

Alberta_Beef · 04-04-2015, 12:42 AM

I don't think he even deserve consideration. Until Giordano's injury he was considered a Hart candidate, for us to be claiming Hudler should get consideration a month later is very homeristic.

Enoch Root · 04-04-2015, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

And that local vote would be through rose coloured glasses.

10 to 20 guys will garner a vote or two.

If you need to label how the voters decide, knock yourself out. But it won't change the process.

T@T · 04-04-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

He is 7th in league scoring only 8 points behind Crosby.

Monahan would probably not have 30 goals, and Gaudreau may not have had the season he had.

History says he benefited from those two kids that they did from him.

Heavy Jack · 04-04-2015, 06:12 AM

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History says he benefited from those two kids that they did from him.

While this is true Hudler was already our highest scoring forward before this line was offically put together in mid-January. He was also our best forward last year and was a big reason Monahan had such a solid rookie season. I think it's been great for Hudler that he's been given these responsibilities and I definitely think his improved numbers are a direct result from playing with our high-end rookie talent but at the same time it takes a certain kind of player to be able to shoulder that kind of responsibility and turn it into what Hudler has. I wish we had a player like him when Backs was starting out, he would have been much further along a lot sooner if that was the case.

Enoch Root · 04-04-2015, 09:03 AM

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History says he benefited from those two kids that they did from him.

to be fair, for whom would this not apply?

getoverit · 04-04-2015, 09:38 AM

thread has been open 24 hours- 38 posts. if our fans dont believe it, cant expect others too. He has been a great addition to our team and believe as another posted stated, he has been as good for them vs versa. would like him resigned, great role model for the kids, contributes on ice and competes, whats not to like.

Hackey · 04-04-2015, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

When did I ever say that? I merely explained what the OP was suggesting, and stated that I wouldn't be surprised if he (and Vrbata) received a local vote or two.

A local vote or two isn't really consideration. It pretty much is homerism.

Enoch Root · 04-04-2015, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

A local vote or two isn't really consideration. It pretty much is homerism.

How is a vote or two not consideration?

All kinds of guys will get a local vote or two. It's simply how the process works.

If he does get a vote or two, he will have deserved it as much as the other guys that get a vote or two.